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How did an artifact for communicating with other worldly beings that was an ancient and sacred artifact, which originated from the Aztecs, who lived on the oth

How did an artifact for communicating with other worldly beings that was an ancient and sacred artifact, which originated from the Aztecs, who lived on the other side of the planet, get all the way through Spain to not just anyone, but the head Astrologer to the Queen of England? You have to ask the question, could the connection be that the go-between for the Aztec empire and the Queen of England was brokered, even indirectly, by extra-terrestrials? Ancient astronaut theorists say yes. I would say, no, it was by boat. But Smithsonian just giving up and mixing archeology and the occult may signal a defeat, where they were like, "the only way we're going to get young people into the field is if we address this stuff, because that's what they're interested in. Post that Queen's astrologer and Aztec magic portal thing, and let's A/B it."

dboreham 5y ago
Could also have been Dr. Who
- cperciva 5y ago
  Time Lords are extra-terrestrial.
jameshart 5y ago
Maybe they are A/B testing something because the article I get when I view this link is not about aliens or the occult. Perhaps I’m in the control cell.
- BitwiseFool 5y ago
  I have no idea what pathways short-circuited in my brain, but I didn't remember what A/B stood for and my brain said "Aztec/Britain". And I was like, wait, we have a term for Aztec to Britain testing, how in the hell did that happen? Then suddenly, my brain started working properly again and I remembered the concept of A/B testing.
- estaseuropano 5y ago
  I too don't see any occult references, neither any suggestion that this object was very unique. We know about it because he used it and it ended in the British museum.
detaro 5y ago
Huh? Where does the article say anything like that?
- lapetitejort 5y ago
  I'm also puzzling over GPs comment. You can't describe the mirror without saying how it was used. Nowhere does the article say that it's the product of occult or extra-terrestrial activities.
  - birdyrooster 5y ago
    GPT-3 isn't perfect, calm down.
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      [deleted]
djur 5y ago
The article says: > [The Spanish] quickly began shipping treasures, including obsidian mirrors, back to Europe... Dee was interested in the Spanish Conquest and had probably heard stories about obsidian mirrors... Dee may have bought the mirror in Bohemia (now part of the Czech Republic) in the 1580s... Not seeing any suggestion of magic portals or ETs here. It is of historical interest that we've been able to verify the Mesoamerican origin of these mirrors, and the connection to an interesting figure like Dee makes a good headline. This isn't an earthshaking revelation, and I don't think it's being treated as such.
speedybird 5y ago
You're kind of freaking me out here man, did we actually read different articles? The article I read says flat out that the mirror was transported by ship and suggests no doubt whatsoever about that. It also contains some speculation about why it might be that European occultists considered this obsidian mirror an artifact of occult merit, and offers a perfectly natural (not supernatural) explanations for why that might be: it was exotic, European occultists had a history of liking mirrors, and these particular European occultists may have heard stories about these mirrors being related to Aztec occult practices.
- birdyrooster 5y ago
  You can't read too far into GPT-3, it's a mashup of many different textual sources that doesn't always hit the mark.
- motohagiography 5y ago
  I'm saying treating British occultism as a co-ordinate for serious inquiry into the function of an Aztec artifact wandered into Ancient Aliens territory. I presented it in the form of that theatrical style of questioning to illustrate that. But I am not an archeologist, I just watch Ancient Aliens sometimes because it's like eating mental cookie dough, in so many ways.
  - speedybird 5y ago
    > treating British occultism as a co-ordinate for serious inquiry into the function of an Aztec artifact I don't think the article did that. The article suggests the occult significance of obsidian mirrors to Aztecs is known through the relationship of those mirrors to the god Tezcatlipoca: >The Aztec god Tezcatlipoca, or “Smoking Mirror,” is frequently depicted wearing mirrors that allow him to see humans’ thoughts and actions. As Campbell tells Live Science’s Mindy Weisberger, “[T]here’s quite a specific association with these types of mirrors and that particular deity.” Of this god, wikipedia says: > His name in the Nahuatl language is often translated as "Smoking Mirror"[3] and alludes to his connection to obsidian, the material from which mirrors were made in Mesoamerica and which were used for shamanic rituals and prophecy.[4] Another talisman related to Tezcatlipoca was a disc worn as a chest pectoral. This talisman was carved out of abalone shell and depicted on the chest of both Huitzilopochtli and Tezcatlipoca in codex illustrations.[5][6]
canadianfella 5y ago
Respectfully, are you high?
selimthegrim 5y ago
You think that’s bonkers wait until you hear about Datura metel.

dboreham 5y ago

Could also have been Dr. Who

cperciva 5y ago
Time Lords are extra-terrestrial.

jameshart 5y ago

Maybe they are A/B testing something because the article I get when I view this link is not about aliens or the occult. Perhaps I’m in the control cell.

BitwiseFool 5y ago
I have no idea what pathways short-circuited in my brain, but I didn't remember what A/B stood for and my brain said "Aztec/Britain". And I was like, wait, we have a term for Aztec to Britain testing, how in the hell did that happen? Then suddenly, my brain started working properly again and I remembered the concept of A/B testing.
estaseuropano 5y ago
I too don't see any occult references, neither any suggestion that this object was very unique. We know about it because he used it and it ended in the British museum.

detaro 5y ago

Huh? Where does the article say anything like that?

lapetitejort 5y ago
I'm also puzzling over GPs comment. You can't describe the mirror without saying how it was used. Nowhere does the article say that it's the product of occult or extra-terrestrial activities.
- birdyrooster 5y ago
  GPT-3 isn't perfect, calm down.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]

djur 5y ago

The article says: > [The Spanish] quickly began shipping treasures, including obsidian mirrors, back to Europe... Dee was interested in the Spanish Conquest and had probably heard stories about obsidian mirrors... Dee may have bought the mirror in Bohemia (now part of the Czech Republic) in the 1580s... Not seeing any suggestion of magic portals or ETs here. It is of historical interest that we've been able to verify the Mesoamerican origin of these mirrors, and the connection to an interesting figure like Dee makes a good headline. This isn't an earthshaking revelation, and I don't think it's being treated as such.

speedybird 5y ago

You're kind of freaking me out here man, did we actually read different articles? The article I read says flat out that the mirror was transported by ship and suggests no doubt whatsoever about that. It also contains some speculation about why it might be that European occultists considered this obsidian mirror an artifact of occult merit, and offers a perfectly natural (not supernatural) explanations for why that might be: it was exotic, European occultists had a history of liking mirrors, and these particular European occultists may have heard stories about these mirrors being related to Aztec occult practices.

birdyrooster 5y ago
You can't read too far into GPT-3, it's a mashup of many different textual sources that doesn't always hit the mark.
motohagiography 5y ago
I'm saying treating British occultism as a co-ordinate for serious inquiry into the function of an Aztec artifact wandered into Ancient Aliens territory. I presented it in the form of that theatrical style of questioning to illustrate that. But I am not an archeologist, I just watch Ancient Aliens sometimes because it's like eating mental cookie dough, in so many ways.
- speedybird 5y ago
  > treating British occultism as a co-ordinate for serious inquiry into the function of an Aztec artifact I don't think the article did that. The article suggests the occult significance of obsidian mirrors to Aztecs is known through the relationship of those mirrors to the god Tezcatlipoca: >The Aztec god Tezcatlipoca, or “Smoking Mirror,” is frequently depicted wearing mirrors that allow him to see humans’ thoughts and actions. As Campbell tells Live Science’s Mindy Weisberger, “[T]here’s quite a specific association with these types of mirrors and that particular deity.” Of this god, wikipedia says: > His name in the Nahuatl language is often translated as "Smoking Mirror"[3] and alludes to his connection to obsidian, the material from which mirrors were made in Mesoamerica and which were used for shamanic rituals and prophecy.[4] Another talisman related to Tezcatlipoca was a disc worn as a chest pectoral. This talisman was carved out of abalone shell and depicted on the chest of both Huitzilopochtli and Tezcatlipoca in codex illustrations.[5][6]

canadianfella 5y ago

Respectfully, are you high?

selimthegrim 5y ago

You think that’s bonkers wait until you hear about Datura metel.