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> For the crime of making tens of thousands of people millionaires, providing people with what they want the world over, living the American dream, and hurling

> For the crime of making tens of thousands of people millionaires, providing people with what they want the world over, living the American dream, and hurling Shatner's body into the void? Among other things, you forgot the part about scheduling people like machines to the point where they feel like their only option is to pee in bottles. It's pretty easy to make any powerful person look good if you're willing to be shamelessly selective.

nickpp 5y ago
Are you by any chance talking about the job they voluntarily applied to and can freely leave at any time?!
- ipaddr 5y ago
  The only job left after Amazon put the other local stores out of business makes it an involuntarily choice unless you consider that crime is an acceptable career choice.
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  - nickpp 5y ago
    Amazon did not put local stores out of business, customers choosing the advantages of shopping on Amazon did. Are you saying customers should've been denied this choice in order to subsidize those local store jobs?
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > Are you by any chance talking about the job they voluntarily applied to and they can freely leave at any time?! Do you realize that doesn't excuse anything? A rather extreme example to make the point: slave-holding is still wrong even if you can find someone desperate enough to voluntarily sell themselves into it to you.
  - nickpp 5y ago
    If you had to compare modern-day at will employment - the social construct through we are all earning our living - with slavery - something quite illegal in the entire world - your argument doesn’t hold much water.
    - tablespoon 5y ago
      > If you had to compare modern-day at will employment - the social construct through we are all earning our living - with slavery - something quite illegal in the entire world - your argument doesn’t hold much water. You should note that's a straw man, since I did not make a comparison, rather I used a different example to illustrate a concept. To spell it out in the simplest way I can think of: voluntarily agreement to a contract does not make the terms of that contract right. That's true for all wrongs, including slavery and bad working conditions.
      - nickpp 5y ago
        > voluntarily agreement to a contract does not make the terms of that contract right Then why should I bother paying the mortgage to my house or car because that APR sure ain't right in them terms. Dam' bank found me desperate for a new BMW and is slaving my balls off!
        tablespoon 5y ago
        > Then why should I bother paying the mortgage to my house or car because that APR sure ain't right in them terms. Dam' bank found me desperate for a new BMW and is slaving my balls off! You're being obtuse. And no, I'm not comparing you to an angle.
  - rufus_foreman 5y ago
    >> slave-holding is still wrong even if you can find someone desperate enough to voluntarily sell themselves into it to you You left out the "and they can freely leave at any time" part. Your analogy doesn't make sense once you add it back in.

nickpp 5y ago

Are you by any chance talking about the job they voluntarily applied to and can freely leave at any time?!

ipaddr 5y ago
The only job left after Amazon put the other local stores out of business makes it an involuntarily choice unless you consider that crime is an acceptable career choice.
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- nickpp 5y ago
  Amazon did not put local stores out of business, customers choosing the advantages of shopping on Amazon did. Are you saying customers should've been denied this choice in order to subsidize those local store jobs?
tablespoon 5y ago
> Are you by any chance talking about the job they voluntarily applied to and they can freely leave at any time?! Do you realize that doesn't excuse anything? A rather extreme example to make the point: slave-holding is still wrong even if you can find someone desperate enough to voluntarily sell themselves into it to you.
- nickpp 5y ago
  If you had to compare modern-day at will employment - the social construct through we are all earning our living - with slavery - something quite illegal in the entire world - your argument doesn’t hold much water.
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    > If you had to compare modern-day at will employment - the social construct through we are all earning our living - with slavery - something quite illegal in the entire world - your argument doesn’t hold much water. You should note that's a straw man, since I did not make a comparison, rather I used a different example to illustrate a concept. To spell it out in the simplest way I can think of: voluntarily agreement to a contract does not make the terms of that contract right. That's true for all wrongs, including slavery and bad working conditions.
    - nickpp 5y ago
      > voluntarily agreement to a contract does not make the terms of that contract right Then why should I bother paying the mortgage to my house or car because that APR sure ain't right in them terms. Dam' bank found me desperate for a new BMW and is slaving my balls off!
      - tablespoon 5y ago
        > Then why should I bother paying the mortgage to my house or car because that APR sure ain't right in them terms. Dam' bank found me desperate for a new BMW and is slaving my balls off! You're being obtuse. And no, I'm not comparing you to an angle.
- rufus_foreman 5y ago
  >> slave-holding is still wrong even if you can find someone desperate enough to voluntarily sell themselves into it to you You left out the "and they can freely leave at any time" part. Your analogy doesn't make sense once you add it back in.