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> I am not assuming that Well you did say: "this may be the nerd's way of immortalizing their sweetheart", which seems to me to strongly imply that your impres

> I am not assuming that Well you did say: "this may be the nerd's way of immortalizing their sweetheart", which seems to me to strongly imply that your impression may be closer to assuming it than to not assuming it. I have no horse in this race (I'm not the one who replied to your original comment), but it did seem like you were assuming something awful close to what you are denying.

gwn7 5y ago
In my world saying that "something may be something for other people" doesn't equal to "personally assuming that something is something". But I understand where you come from. For me the thinking & debating exercises doesn't have to involve taking a position personally. Sometimes I just want to focus on the argument. My own position & assumptions are irrelevant. For that reason I don't appreciate it when somebody makes an assumption regarding my assumptions to attack myself instead of focusing on the argument.
- jjnoakes 5y ago
  I don't see anything in dragonwriter's response that attacks you and not your argument. Perhaps you just disagree with the phrasing, but to me, "you assume" in this context is short for "you assume in your argument" or "your argument assumes" and it still looks valid.
  - gwn7 5y ago
    > "you assume" in this context is short for "you assume in your argument" or "your argument assumes" and it still looks valid An argument doesn't assume, but it states. Assumption is something people do. When somebody makes a statement regarding "what an argument assumes", the meaning is that they are speculating beyond what the argument is stating. So I don't agree with you, but thank you for the discussion.
    - jjnoakes 5y ago
      An argument assumes if it doesn't back up the assertion with reasoning. For an argument to state, it needs more; as written, it wasn't really an argument to begin with. It was just a theoretical supposition.
      - gwn7 5y ago
        Yes, I guess mine was more of a theoretical supposition. It was actually just an observation. Yet a moment later I wasn't really talking about that anymore, but making a more general statement regarding the exercise of debate. Thank you for playing the role of the logic police. I guess it can sometimes be unreasonably hard to talk in a simple forum like this in a chill manner without having to deal with people's (IMO) misplaced pedantry. So be it. I'll try to be more scientific the next time.
        jjnoakes 5y ago
        Hey, I'm just trying to explain what your comments look like to someone not involved in the original conversation, since I agreed with the statement that you objected to. Not sure where this passive aggressive defensiveness is coming from.

gwn7 5y ago

In my world saying that "something may be something for other people" doesn't equal to "personally assuming that something is something". But I understand where you come from. For me the thinking & debating exercises doesn't have to involve taking a position personally. Sometimes I just want to focus on the argument. My own position & assumptions are irrelevant. For that reason I don't appreciate it when somebody makes an assumption regarding my assumptions to attack myself instead of focusing on the argument.

jjnoakes 5y ago
I don't see anything in dragonwriter's response that attacks you and not your argument. Perhaps you just disagree with the phrasing, but to me, "you assume" in this context is short for "you assume in your argument" or "your argument assumes" and it still looks valid.
- gwn7 5y ago
  > "you assume" in this context is short for "you assume in your argument" or "your argument assumes" and it still looks valid An argument doesn't assume, but it states. Assumption is something people do. When somebody makes a statement regarding "what an argument assumes", the meaning is that they are speculating beyond what the argument is stating. So I don't agree with you, but thank you for the discussion.
  - jjnoakes 5y ago
    An argument assumes if it doesn't back up the assertion with reasoning. For an argument to state, it needs more; as written, it wasn't really an argument to begin with. It was just a theoretical supposition.
    - gwn7 5y ago
      Yes, I guess mine was more of a theoretical supposition. It was actually just an observation. Yet a moment later I wasn't really talking about that anymore, but making a more general statement regarding the exercise of debate. Thank you for playing the role of the logic police. I guess it can sometimes be unreasonably hard to talk in a simple forum like this in a chill manner without having to deal with people's (IMO) misplaced pedantry. So be it. I'll try to be more scientific the next time.
      - jjnoakes 5y ago
        Hey, I'm just trying to explain what your comments look like to someone not involved in the original conversation, since I agreed with the statement that you objected to. Not sure where this passive aggressive defensiveness is coming from.