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> One side effect of our toxic national discourse is that I don’t know who to believe That, largely, is the intent. "Some people" know that the more they pois

> One side effect of our toxic national discourse is that I don’t know who to believe That, largely, is the intent. "Some people" know that the more they poison this well the more people like you will then throw up their hands. And, while I'm sure you aren't one of them, most of them will then take that as a license to believe the source they want to believe and not the one telling them the truth. And the frustrating thing, of course, is that the disinformation is largely asymmetric. One "side" of sources is more consistently wrong or misleading, and one mostly gets it right with the occasional mistake. Also, one "side's" thought leaders tend to parrot disinformation[1] more than the other, where you tend to see the worst whoppers primarily among the ground troops only. [1] Ted Cruz pushed this particular meme, for example.

ipaddr 5y ago
You have this whole other side where it is obvious both sides are misleading because to have a side means you are determined to spread and grow that side. This president is sharing as much disinformation as the last president as much as China and as much as European and Canadian prime ministers. If you are only seeing the other side doing this you may be too close to one side.
- scottLobster 5y ago
  How can you look at Trump's former twitter feed and say that with a straight face? If your argument is quantity of disinformation, Trump spread more disinformation on twitter in an average month than Biden has done in the first 10 months of his presidency.
  - ipaddr 5y ago
    Here is a list of Biden's lies over the last 10 months. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.courier-journal.com/amp/5918848001 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.courier-journal.com/amp/591... Which shows you everyone is lying to you no matter what side you are on. Better than the other guy means you are still being fooled. Rep and Dem are two sides of the same coin. It reminds me of a Simpsons halloween episode where the Rep and Dem candidates are replaced with two Aliens and when the truth is uncovered voters were stuck with a choice between an alien Rep or an alien Dem who would enslave all humans or voting for a human third party candidate. The ending scene shows humanity enslaved with Homer saying he voted for the other alien.
    - knownjorbist 5y ago
      If this is your bar for dishonesty - which is basically lying by omission, mischaracterization or stretching the truth and not telling bold-faced lies - then this list doesn't even begin to compare to the former executive's near-constant deluge of outright falsehoods, told in explicitly bad faith.
    - Tostino 5y ago
      That's a nice opinion piece you have there. Honestly that was just a whole gish gallop by someone with an extreme bias. I don't personally like Biden, but that was a terrible article.

ipaddr 5y ago

You have this whole other side where it is obvious both sides are misleading because to have a side means you are determined to spread and grow that side. This president is sharing as much disinformation as the last president as much as China and as much as European and Canadian prime ministers. If you are only seeing the other side doing this you may be too close to one side.

scottLobster 5y ago
How can you look at Trump's former twitter feed and say that with a straight face? If your argument is quantity of disinformation, Trump spread more disinformation on twitter in an average month than Biden has done in the first 10 months of his presidency.
- ipaddr 5y ago
  Here is a list of Biden's lies over the last 10 months. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.courier-journal.com/amp/5918848001 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.courier-journal.com/amp/591... Which shows you everyone is lying to you no matter what side you are on. Better than the other guy means you are still being fooled. Rep and Dem are two sides of the same coin. It reminds me of a Simpsons halloween episode where the Rep and Dem candidates are replaced with two Aliens and when the truth is uncovered voters were stuck with a choice between an alien Rep or an alien Dem who would enslave all humans or voting for a human third party candidate. The ending scene shows humanity enslaved with Homer saying he voted for the other alien.
  - knownjorbist 5y ago
    If this is your bar for dishonesty - which is basically lying by omission, mischaracterization or stretching the truth and not telling bold-faced lies - then this list doesn't even begin to compare to the former executive's near-constant deluge of outright falsehoods, told in explicitly bad faith.
  - Tostino 5y ago
    That's a nice opinion piece you have there. Honestly that was just a whole gish gallop by someone with an extreme bias. I don't personally like Biden, but that was a terrible article.