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The Union denies it was an official or unofficial action. Both the pilots union and SWA management also confirm there was not an unusually high number of sick c

The Union denies it was an official or unofficial action. Both the pilots union and SWA management also confirm there was not an unusually high number of sick calls. Again, what incentive would they have to lie? Further why would a generally conservative-leaning private company and public union go to such great lengths to defend a mandate they have nothing to do with? It sounds like a conspiracy theory.

Alupis 5y ago
You are putting a lot of stock into a PR piece... SWA is attempting to manage the damage to their brand. It's pretty obvious. And again, the Union has to deny everything. Any organized walk-out, or something they knew would happen and did nothing to stop ("official or unofficial") is illegal.
- jasonlaramburu 5y ago
  >You are putting a lot of stock into a PR piece... No, I believe that absent contrary evidence, the simplest explanation is usually the most likely. I've seen virtually every other US carrier experience a cascading failure due to weather or computer failures at least once over the past 10 years. I've also seen how quickly certain politicians, who stand to benefit personally from casting doubt on vaccine mandates, have jumped on this event.
- SamoyedFurFluff 5y ago
  So if we can’t trust the union or the company where is everyone getting info that there was a sick out?
  - Alupis 5y ago
    Sick-out is speculation it seems. What we do know is SWA cancelled over 2,000 flights in a single day, and continues to cancel flights up through today... and no other airline is impacted... and the weather issues they claim don't exist... and the ATC issues they claim also don't exist. Seems pretty obvious something else is going on. Sick out, walk out, sit-in, just refuse to fly, whatever... but the official story can't even carry its own water.
    - SamoyedFurFluff 5y ago
      If the company has a uniquely weak flight network I’m willing to buy that a single company was uniquely affected because their flight network is uniquely weak. I’m struggling to speculate on a sickout when there isn’t any claimed evidence I can find besides “the given reason doesn’t seem right”. I’m not a flight industry person, why do I think I know better than all the flight industry heads talking about it? But I do know graphs, and I know chokepoints will fuck over a whole network.
    - brendoelfrendo 5y ago
      If you'll forgive me for latching onto one piece of information here: > and no other airline is impacted Yeah, so... why is that? Other airlines have similar mandates. Is Southwest just uniquely anti-mandate? Did they have a particularly large population of pilots who weren't vaccinated before the mandate even took effect? If anything, I'd say that the uniqueness of Southwest's problems is evidence against a sick-out and points to a problem in Southwest's business model or logistics.

Alupis 5y ago

You are putting a lot of stock into a PR piece... SWA is attempting to manage the damage to their brand. It's pretty obvious. And again, the Union has to deny everything. Any organized walk-out, or something they knew would happen and did nothing to stop ("official or unofficial") is illegal.

jasonlaramburu 5y ago
>You are putting a lot of stock into a PR piece... No, I believe that absent contrary evidence, the simplest explanation is usually the most likely. I've seen virtually every other US carrier experience a cascading failure due to weather or computer failures at least once over the past 10 years. I've also seen how quickly certain politicians, who stand to benefit personally from casting doubt on vaccine mandates, have jumped on this event.
SamoyedFurFluff 5y ago
So if we can’t trust the union or the company where is everyone getting info that there was a sick out?
- Alupis 5y ago
  Sick-out is speculation it seems. What we do know is SWA cancelled over 2,000 flights in a single day, and continues to cancel flights up through today... and no other airline is impacted... and the weather issues they claim don't exist... and the ATC issues they claim also don't exist. Seems pretty obvious something else is going on. Sick out, walk out, sit-in, just refuse to fly, whatever... but the official story can't even carry its own water.
  - SamoyedFurFluff 5y ago
    If the company has a uniquely weak flight network I’m willing to buy that a single company was uniquely affected because their flight network is uniquely weak. I’m struggling to speculate on a sickout when there isn’t any claimed evidence I can find besides “the given reason doesn’t seem right”. I’m not a flight industry person, why do I think I know better than all the flight industry heads talking about it? But I do know graphs, and I know chokepoints will fuck over a whole network.
  - brendoelfrendo 5y ago
    If you'll forgive me for latching onto one piece of information here: > and no other airline is impacted Yeah, so... why is that? Other airlines have similar mandates. Is Southwest just uniquely anti-mandate? Did they have a particularly large population of pilots who weren't vaccinated before the mandate even took effect? If anything, I'd say that the uniqueness of Southwest's problems is evidence against a sick-out and points to a problem in Southwest's business model or logistics.