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You can look at the Pandemic assistance that the federal government put out as a great example of how they incentivize not being a productive member of society.

You can look at the Pandemic assistance that the federal government put out as a great example of how they incentivize not being a productive member of society. $600 a week above normal unemployment benefits...more than half the people made more not working than working for several months. How much money was wasted giving people money to stay home where expenses should be less than if you were working (no childcare, no driving to work, more time to cook meals...not to mention not having to pay rent). Governments in other countries are more involved in colleges...and they also restrict who gets in. We let pretty much everyone in that wants to go and will give them money to do so...that is a terrible way to run the system.

nebula8804 5y ago
Your response is omitting some serious caveats such that you have totally twisted the argument. First of all the reason people are staying home thanks to pandemic unemployment is due to the fact that they were being paid so poorly before with no hope of career advancement that the meager 600$ a week was a leg up. Now that people have gotten a taste of what it feels like to not be constantly treading water, they are not going back to those low paying jobs. This is something the government should have gotten ahead of years ago in the sense of raising minimum wages and adding benefits but have constantly been blocked by anti-government forces. The minimum wage should be close to 23$ today yet we can't even have a discussion on 15$. Luckily the people are starting to wake up. While government aid has ended in many states people are still not going back to work. There are numerous strikes that are beginning right now or are about to begin and I think this will continue for the foreseeable future. All of this is a response to people who think like you and have been at the reigns for decades. >We let pretty much everyone in that wants to go and will give them money to do so...that is a terrible way to run the system. You mean give them loans that are not dischargeable in bankruptcy very different from Europe. Furthermore you point on letting everyone in is 100% false. Are you an American? Its starting to sound like you are not. For example my alma mater which is a third tier technical school has only a ~50% admission rate. Many colleges are less than that. Also consider that only ~30% (going on 40% thanks to the pandemic) of Americans have a Bachelors degree or higher. This system is restricted by who can afford to go or who is willing to bear the burden of years of loans.
- j_walter 5y ago
  OK, well now you are getting on a different topic all together. I was talking about a poorly run safety net program...there was no need to pay people more money to not work during the pandemic. Want to pay 100% up to a cap then fine...but don't pay them 30% more than what they were making. Just because people go to college doesn't mean they get degrees...but they certainly rack up the debt. Apply to enough colleges and you will get into one...I guarantee it. My alma mater, a state school had an 82% acceptance rate in 2020. Another local one...Portland State University had a 95% acceptance rate...95%!!! https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/portland-state-3216 https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/portland-state-3216

nebula8804 5y ago

Your response is omitting some serious caveats such that you have totally twisted the argument. First of all the reason people are staying home thanks to pandemic unemployment is due to the fact that they were being paid so poorly before with no hope of career advancement that the meager 600$ a week was a leg up. Now that people have gotten a taste of what it feels like to not be constantly treading water, they are not going back to those low paying jobs. This is something the government should have gotten ahead of years ago in the sense of raising minimum wages and adding benefits but have constantly been blocked by anti-government forces. The minimum wage should be close to 23$ today yet we can't even have a discussion on 15$. Luckily the people are starting to wake up. While government aid has ended in many states people are still not going back to work. There are numerous strikes that are beginning right now or are about to begin and I think this will continue for the foreseeable future. All of this is a response to people who think like you and have been at the reigns for decades. >We let pretty much everyone in that wants to go and will give them money to do so...that is a terrible way to run the system. You mean give them loans that are not dischargeable in bankruptcy very different from Europe. Furthermore you point on letting everyone in is 100% false. Are you an American? Its starting to sound like you are not. For example my alma mater which is a third tier technical school has only a ~50% admission rate. Many colleges are less than that. Also consider that only ~30% (going on 40% thanks to the pandemic) of Americans have a Bachelors degree or higher. This system is restricted by who can afford to go or who is willing to bear the burden of years of loans.

j_walter 5y ago
OK, well now you are getting on a different topic all together. I was talking about a poorly run safety net program...there was no need to pay people more money to not work during the pandemic. Want to pay 100% up to a cap then fine...but don't pay them 30% more than what they were making. Just because people go to college doesn't mean they get degrees...but they certainly rack up the debt. Apply to enough colleges and you will get into one...I guarantee it. My alma mater, a state school had an 82% acceptance rate in 2020. Another local one...Portland State University had a 95% acceptance rate...95%!!! https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/portland-state-3216 https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/portland-state-3216