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Appealing to complexity doesn’t make basics like conservation of matter go away. The Climate is extremely complex, and will not be entirely understood in our l
by eutropia 5y ago
Appealing to complexity doesn’t make basics like conservation of matter go away.
The Climate is extremely complex, and will not be entirely understood in our lifetimes; but I’m not interested in litigating my way to a perfect climate model. I’ll leave that to climatologists or whatever.
I’ll state my policy position (the end result of whatever one’s understanding of the problem is anyway) and leave it at that:
My position is that mankind ought to follow what I was taught in scouts: “leave no trace”.
Return GHGs to preindustrial levels, control all other pollutants in a similarly strict sense. Work towards solving the problems we have with deforestation and destruction of habitats, etc. All while maintaining freedom of reproduction for everyone, and continuing to improve quality of life for humans everywhere. Not exactly an easy feat.
That world (the preindustrial world) changed according to its own whims and patterns, but it was beautiful and humans thrived in it.
Knowing that a much warmer planet would look different and likely be less hospitable makes me want to avoid that outcome; however I’ve made my peace with the high likelihood that I wont see “garden earth”. We’re working with a system we don’t understand against a timetable we can’t see while people make money every time they slow us down.
- burntsushi 5y ago> My position is that mankind ought to follow what I was taught in scouts: “leave no trace”. This position isn't really coherent on its own, because with enough time, it doesn't matter what we do: there won't be a trace of us left. So really, you need to say what you mean by "trace" and on what time scale. Your time scale can't be zero, because then we couldn't build anything. But it can't be arbitrarily long either, because then it ceases to be any kind of restraint at all.
- eutropia 5y agoI thought I laid out what I meant by that in the following paragraphs -- it was intended as a finger pointed at the moon, not a prescriptive maxim to be taken literally. A goal to work towards instead of "everyone do whatever is profitable for them in the near term"... In the very long term it would be awesome if our industrial systems emitted only manageable waste heat and the produced good, with all waste streams recycled or otherwise kept from contaminating the environment; but this is pure sci-fi utopian optimism on my part.
- burntsushi 5y agoFair enough.