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Why are there mass firings of nurses for refusing to get the shot?

dragonwriter 5y ago
> Why are there mass firings of nurses for refusing to get the shot? AFAICT, there aren't. Very small numbers have left (permanently or temporarily) jobs for that reason, whether fired, quit, or suspended. On the order of hundreds out of ~17 million health care workers covered by mandates. Lots of political opponents have pointed to mass firings as hypothetical future consequences of mandate policies, and then reacted as if these hypothetical future outcomes were present reality.
- rsj_hn 5y ago
  > On the order of hundreds out of ~17 million health care workers covered by mandates. There are 17 million employees in the healthcare industry as a whole, but so far it's a handful of healthcare systems that have announced this firing policy, primarily (but not exclusively) in NY and California, and an even smaller subset has actually gone through with firing people. Of course, even 1% of 17 million healthcare workers is 170,000 people, and even if 95% are vaccinated, that's still 8,500 people to be fired. And 95% is optimistic. As to the claim that only hundreds have been fired, I'm not sure where you are getting your data. One healthcare provider in NY fired 1400 people[1]. 87% of New York's hospital workers are vaccinated and 64% of New York's general population are vaccinated. So if the providers in extremely blue areas are faced with firing 13% of their healthcare workers, I'm a little skeptical that only hundreds will be fired, or that this is even a workable plan. But who knows, I don't think anyone has the full count for the nation at the moment. If you didn't just make it up, then please do share your source. More facts and less speculation are needed when discussing this issue. [1] https://www.axios.com/new-york-northwell-health-vaccine-mandate-76dbf0e3-e075-4d79-adb6-5a294ebb2872.html https://www.axios.com/new-york-northwell-health-vaccine-mand...
  - mcguire 5y ago
    "Vaccine Mandates Lead to Mass Firings and Mass Walkouts from State Troopers to Hospital Workers" (https://cmsedit.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2021/september/vaccine-mandates-lead-to-mass-firings-and-mass-walkouts-from-state-troopers-to-hospital-workers https://cmsedit.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2021/september/vaccine-ma...) As of Sep. 28, CBN could find only 843. And, oh, look, they linked to https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/hospitals/how-many-employees-have-hospitals-lost-to-vaccine-mandates-numbers-so-far https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/hospitals/how-many-employee... Kaiser Permanente and Northwell Health were the largest with 1-2% of their workforces, although Kaiser's are on "administrative leave".
xadhominemx 5y ago
Because a lot of nurses are dumb and/or highly partisan or otherwise ideological
bprieto 5y ago
Because there is a debate about the degree of immunity that you get after being ill with COVID-19. And many healthcare workers that have been exposed to the virus have been ill, have high levels of antibodies and they don't think that the vaccine is necessary or beneficial for them. But right now you must be in one of the two fields: you are either an anti-vaxxer or you believe in science and will do everything your government says. There are no room for rational discussion about important issues anymore. You just choose your team and fight for it till death.
908B64B197 5y ago
It's something like 1%? Also, some of these stats include nurses that are still registered but not currently working anywhere so it's unclear that their vaccination status is correctly recorded.

> Why are there mass firings of nurses for refusing to get the shot? AFAICT, there aren't. Very small numbers have left (permanently or temporarily) jobs for that reason, whether fired, quit, or suspended. On the order of hundreds out of ~17 million health care workers covered by mandates. Lots of political opponents have pointed to mass firings as hypothetical future consequences of mandate policies, and then reacted as if these hypothetical future outcomes were present reality.

rsj_hn 5y ago
> On the order of hundreds out of ~17 million health care workers covered by mandates. There are 17 million employees in the healthcare industry as a whole, but so far it's a handful of healthcare systems that have announced this firing policy, primarily (but not exclusively) in NY and California, and an even smaller subset has actually gone through with firing people. Of course, even 1% of 17 million healthcare workers is 170,000 people, and even if 95% are vaccinated, that's still 8,500 people to be fired. And 95% is optimistic. As to the claim that only hundreds have been fired, I'm not sure where you are getting your data. One healthcare provider in NY fired 1400 people[1]. 87% of New York's hospital workers are vaccinated and 64% of New York's general population are vaccinated. So if the providers in extremely blue areas are faced with firing 13% of their healthcare workers, I'm a little skeptical that only hundreds will be fired, or that this is even a workable plan. But who knows, I don't think anyone has the full count for the nation at the moment. If you didn't just make it up, then please do share your source. More facts and less speculation are needed when discussing this issue. [1] https://www.axios.com/new-york-northwell-health-vaccine-mandate-76dbf0e3-e075-4d79-adb6-5a294ebb2872.html https://www.axios.com/new-york-northwell-health-vaccine-mand...
- mcguire 5y ago
  "Vaccine Mandates Lead to Mass Firings and Mass Walkouts from State Troopers to Hospital Workers" (https://cmsedit.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2021/september/vaccine-mandates-lead-to-mass-firings-and-mass-walkouts-from-state-troopers-to-hospital-workers https://cmsedit.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2021/september/vaccine-ma...) As of Sep. 28, CBN could find only 843. And, oh, look, they linked to https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/hospitals/how-many-employees-have-hospitals-lost-to-vaccine-mandates-numbers-so-far https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/hospitals/how-many-employee... Kaiser Permanente and Northwell Health were the largest with 1-2% of their workforces, although Kaiser's are on "administrative leave".

xadhominemx 5y ago

Because a lot of nurses are dumb and/or highly partisan or otherwise ideological

bprieto 5y ago

Because there is a debate about the degree of immunity that you get after being ill with COVID-19. And many healthcare workers that have been exposed to the virus have been ill, have high levels of antibodies and they don't think that the vaccine is necessary or beneficial for them. But right now you must be in one of the two fields: you are either an anti-vaxxer or you believe in science and will do everything your government says. There are no room for rational discussion about important issues anymore. You just choose your team and fight for it till death.

908B64B197 5y ago

It's something like 1%? Also, some of these stats include nurses that are still registered but not currently working anywhere so it's unclear that their vaccination status is correctly recorded.