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How's that working out with the current job market?

spoonjim 5y ago
There are multiple software engineer labor markets and these guys are not competing with Facebook and Google for staff. They're probably fine.
- PaywallBuster 5y ago
  >> How crazy is the market? >> Hearing rates for sr software engineers in Ukraine - a popular place to hire good talent for "good value" - have gone from about $5,000/month (€50K/year) to $8,000/month (€80K/year) in one year. Taxes are 5-10% in Ukraine. >> Why? COVID + rising demand. https://twitter.com/GergelyOrosz/status/1399674746879553538 https://twitter.com/GergelyOrosz/status/1399674746879553538
  - PaywallBuster 5y ago
    He have plenty more tweets talking about how employees will more likely hire remote (home country) than go through the hassle of doing VISAs (EU/US) The global rates will be increasing and converging (to a degree)
    - 908B64B197 5y ago
      I hope they realize that by doing that, they'll keep innovators and folks who can build a tech scene in their home countries instead of America. These tech scenes will then pop out competitors to US firms.
      - ta988 5y ago
        Tell that to the people that make the visa processes so complicated (I have first hand experience). It takes a lot of work and money, You can't travel easily (have to get stamps abroad at risk of loosing job if you get in administrative review), with some of the visas for the most talented people (O1) you have to exit the country immediately if you loose your job, why would you ever want to go over all that again unless you have ties in US (which often you didnt have time to make with 1-3 years visas). Also the tech scene is already popping out outside of US but as it is not english-first it is harder to observe from the US. Immigration policies for talented workers have gone from hard to repulsive and even if it gets reversed now (there isn't a lot to do, and the impact on the economy could be huge) it will take at least a decade to undo the damage... And this is not just the repeated attacks from the previous administration, this started way before.
  - spoonjim 5y ago
    Sure, but rising demand will also make all of their companies' revenue go up too.
darth_avocado 5y ago
They don't need good talent. And there's always a surplus of what they need.

There are multiple software engineer labor markets and these guys are not competing with Facebook and Google for staff. They're probably fine.

PaywallBuster 5y ago
>> How crazy is the market? >> Hearing rates for sr software engineers in Ukraine - a popular place to hire good talent for "good value" - have gone from about $5,000/month (€50K/year) to $8,000/month (€80K/year) in one year. Taxes are 5-10% in Ukraine. >> Why? COVID + rising demand. https://twitter.com/GergelyOrosz/status/1399674746879553538 https://twitter.com/GergelyOrosz/status/1399674746879553538
- PaywallBuster 5y ago
  He have plenty more tweets talking about how employees will more likely hire remote (home country) than go through the hassle of doing VISAs (EU/US) The global rates will be increasing and converging (to a degree)
  - 908B64B197 5y ago
    I hope they realize that by doing that, they'll keep innovators and folks who can build a tech scene in their home countries instead of America. These tech scenes will then pop out competitors to US firms.
    - ta988 5y ago
      Tell that to the people that make the visa processes so complicated (I have first hand experience). It takes a lot of work and money, You can't travel easily (have to get stamps abroad at risk of loosing job if you get in administrative review), with some of the visas for the most talented people (O1) you have to exit the country immediately if you loose your job, why would you ever want to go over all that again unless you have ties in US (which often you didnt have time to make with 1-3 years visas). Also the tech scene is already popping out outside of US but as it is not english-first it is harder to observe from the US. Immigration policies for talented workers have gone from hard to repulsive and even if it gets reversed now (there isn't a lot to do, and the impact on the economy could be huge) it will take at least a decade to undo the damage... And this is not just the repeated attacks from the previous administration, this started way before.
- spoonjim 5y ago
  Sure, but rising demand will also make all of their companies' revenue go up too.

darth_avocado 5y ago

They don't need good talent. And there's always a surplus of what they need.