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I really hope they add a keyboard with better arrow key/home/end/pgup/pgdn keys at some point. This is literally one of the most important factors for me in a l

I really hope they add a keyboard with better arrow key/home/end/pgup/pgdn keys at some point. This is literally one of the most important factors for me in a laptop because I hate the way most laptops do them.

alshel 5y ago
What laptops have that without having a number pad as well? I know my macbook doesn’t have a better hone/end/pgup/pgdn. I personally hate laptops with number pads because the keyboard is then off center, so I just accept this sacrifice on laptops. I do really wish they had macbook-like arrow keys, which are very effective for touch typing since the half-size makes them easy to feel.
- stormbrew 5y ago
  The last dell (xps 13 2-in-1 from about 2 years ago) I bought has page up and down above left and right (half-size keys, like the macbook, but the gaps filled in), and home/end above in the f-key row. It's not my ideal but it's good enough.
  - rssoconnor 5y ago
    My old Acer C710 and my X1 Carbon also have dedicated pgup/pgdn/home/end keys in those locations. As soon as framework comes out with such a layout I'll buy a new panel.
- bashinator 5y ago
  My ThinkPad X1 has no number pad, and puts pgup/pgdn on either side of the up-arrow key, which works quite nicely for me. I picked that laptop specifically for the keyboard.
- Liskni_si 5y ago
  All ThinkPads up to T420/X220 (2011) have a proper delete/home/end/pgup/pgdown block at the top right. And then the 2017 ThinkPad 25 anniversary edition, which is what I'm using right now and hoping it lasts until there is a proper replacement on the market.
kitsunesoba 5y ago
If they release CAD files for the laptop enclosure and pinouts for the keyboard ribbon cable, one could theoretically 3D print or CNC an alternate top cover that can accommodate a keyboard with the desired layout, such as those of old ThinkPads and Latitudes/Precisions.
- stormbrew 5y ago
  It seems like releasing specs to build your own parts are part of the intended plans from frame.work and I really hope they live up to those expectations. There's a real possibility of effectively an "ATX for laptops" evolving out of this imo. Obviously there's a lot of danger to their own business model if things go that way, as there was for IBM back in the day. I want to believe they are aware of and ok with that though.
IYasha 5y ago
Absolutely agree. Paging keys are essential. This laptop is huge, but keyboard is crippled. And small lapotps with good heyboards ARE TOTALLY POSSIBLE. Obvious ThinkPads aside, look up ASUS U6Sg, which was an IDEAL laptop in every aspect except power consumption (thanks, Intel!).

alshel 5y ago

What laptops have that without having a number pad as well? I know my macbook doesn’t have a better hone/end/pgup/pgdn. I personally hate laptops with number pads because the keyboard is then off center, so I just accept this sacrifice on laptops. I do really wish they had macbook-like arrow keys, which are very effective for touch typing since the half-size makes them easy to feel.

stormbrew 5y ago
The last dell (xps 13 2-in-1 from about 2 years ago) I bought has page up and down above left and right (half-size keys, like the macbook, but the gaps filled in), and home/end above in the f-key row. It's not my ideal but it's good enough.
- rssoconnor 5y ago
  My old Acer C710 and my X1 Carbon also have dedicated pgup/pgdn/home/end keys in those locations. As soon as framework comes out with such a layout I'll buy a new panel.
bashinator 5y ago
My ThinkPad X1 has no number pad, and puts pgup/pgdn on either side of the up-arrow key, which works quite nicely for me. I picked that laptop specifically for the keyboard.
Liskni_si 5y ago
All ThinkPads up to T420/X220 (2011) have a proper delete/home/end/pgup/pgdown block at the top right. And then the 2017 ThinkPad 25 anniversary edition, which is what I'm using right now and hoping it lasts until there is a proper replacement on the market.

kitsunesoba 5y ago

If they release CAD files for the laptop enclosure and pinouts for the keyboard ribbon cable, one could theoretically 3D print or CNC an alternate top cover that can accommodate a keyboard with the desired layout, such as those of old ThinkPads and Latitudes/Precisions.

stormbrew 5y ago
It seems like releasing specs to build your own parts are part of the intended plans from frame.work and I really hope they live up to those expectations. There's a real possibility of effectively an "ATX for laptops" evolving out of this imo. Obviously there's a lot of danger to their own business model if things go that way, as there was for IBM back in the day. I want to believe they are aware of and ok with that though.

IYasha 5y ago

Absolutely agree. Paging keys are essential. This laptop is huge, but keyboard is crippled. And small lapotps with good heyboards ARE TOTALLY POSSIBLE. Obvious ThinkPads aside, look up ASUS U6Sg, which was an IDEAL laptop in every aspect except power consumption (thanks, Intel!).