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>After 4 years they'll either not get security updates or have to switch to Linux. To be fair, Windows 10 will be 10 years old at that time and their PC will

>After 4 years they'll either not get security updates or have to switch to Linux. To be fair, Windows 10 will be 10 years old at that time and their PC will be over 11 years old which is an eternity in technology time. 11 year old HW is not very energy efficient and is often vulnerable to various side channel attacks that need SW mitigations which make them even slower. Newer HW is more secure, while being more energy efficient to boot. Even if Microsoft would continue support for ancient hardware, the chances are Nvidia and AMD would drop driver support for what they consider to be legacy hardware, like they alwasy do. I also keep my 15 year old PC (Core 2 Quad) going for my parents but I moved it to Linux as I can't expect Microsoft to keep supporting such old hardware for free forever and at some point, the SW and HW industry have to keep moving forward and that sometimes means removing support for legacy stuff even if that means cutting some users with old hardware off (they still can keep using their systems after all, just not run the latest and greatest SW). Is Apple doing better officially supporting hardware overs 10 years old?

vetinari 5y ago
> To be fair, Windows 10 will be 10 years old at that time and their PC will be over 11 years old which is an eternity in technology time. To be fair, the PC won't be that old. Every single machine with Zen (1st gen Ryzen and Threadrippers), for example.
nikau 5y ago
To be fair my 11 year old desktop CPU is faster than the cpu in my brand new work laptop.
saiya-jin 5y ago
> 11 years old which is an eternity in technology time No its not. For casual use, 15 year old PC is very much fine and works perfectly in many use cases ie for our parents. You may swap for SSD but that's it, it can be blazingly fast for the tasks required. Forcing everybody to move into Linux when they can barely handle Windows is quite a stretch, there might be licences to software which won't work, same for hardware. Lets not forget whole world isn't on HN level of computer expertise to debug issues.
- ChuckNorris89 5y ago
  >Forcing everybody to move into Linux when they can barely handle Windows is quite a stretch Nobody is forcing you to do anything. You can keep using whatever HW and OS you have as long as you wish. What's your point?
- mattl 5y ago
  11 years is a very long time in the personal computer industry. It’s a little under 20% of the time we’ve had such an industry.
  - layer8 5y ago
    PC hardware of recent years is much longer lived in terms of performance than in earlier years.
    - mattl 5y ago
      A PC from 11 years ago is likely running a spinning hard disk and running a 32-bit version of the OS, no?
      - saiya-jin 5y ago
        I bought my first 64bit AMD CPU somewhere around 2001-2002 (at that time this premium turned out more or less useless). And as I mentioned, you may switch HDD to SSD to get very acceptable performance from even quite old computers.
        ChuckNorris89 5y ago
        > bought my first 64bit AMD CPU somewhere around 2001-2002 I doubt it. The first Athlon 64 was launched late 2003.
      - layer8 5y ago
        I meant slightly more recent, like when Windows 10 was released. But no, my relatives have PCs from 2010 running 64-bit Windows that I upgraded to SSDs in the mid-2010‘s and that are still running perfectly fine. I myself was running a 2012 PC (with SSDs from the start) until last year, and the replacement isn’t that much faster. I’m also running a second PC from 2016 that doesn’t meet the Windows 11 requirements but would surely be fast enough beyond 2025.
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abricot 5y ago
"Windows 10 is 10 years old" It's a rolling release, so with 21H1 it's only half a year old. And I don't care what they do. It will be the last Windows for me.
- ChuckNorris89 5y ago
  21H1 is a release which is half a year old, the OS itself was launched in 2015 which makes it 10 years old in 2025.
  - layer8 5y ago
    The issue is that hardware purchased last year and not supported by Windows 11 (like for example the Surface Studio 2 still sold by Microsoft, and other currently sold CPUs) has a much longer lifetime than five years.

vetinari 5y ago

> To be fair, Windows 10 will be 10 years old at that time and their PC will be over 11 years old which is an eternity in technology time. To be fair, the PC won't be that old. Every single machine with Zen (1st gen Ryzen and Threadrippers), for example.

nikau 5y ago

To be fair my 11 year old desktop CPU is faster than the cpu in my brand new work laptop.

saiya-jin 5y ago

> 11 years old which is an eternity in technology time No its not. For casual use, 15 year old PC is very much fine and works perfectly in many use cases ie for our parents. You may swap for SSD but that's it, it can be blazingly fast for the tasks required. Forcing everybody to move into Linux when they can barely handle Windows is quite a stretch, there might be licences to software which won't work, same for hardware. Lets not forget whole world isn't on HN level of computer expertise to debug issues.

ChuckNorris89 5y ago
>Forcing everybody to move into Linux when they can barely handle Windows is quite a stretch Nobody is forcing you to do anything. You can keep using whatever HW and OS you have as long as you wish. What's your point?
mattl 5y ago
11 years is a very long time in the personal computer industry. It’s a little under 20% of the time we’ve had such an industry.
- layer8 5y ago
  PC hardware of recent years is much longer lived in terms of performance than in earlier years.
  - mattl 5y ago
    A PC from 11 years ago is likely running a spinning hard disk and running a 32-bit version of the OS, no?
    - saiya-jin 5y ago
      I bought my first 64bit AMD CPU somewhere around 2001-2002 (at that time this premium turned out more or less useless). And as I mentioned, you may switch HDD to SSD to get very acceptable performance from even quite old computers.
      - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
        > bought my first 64bit AMD CPU somewhere around 2001-2002 I doubt it. The first Athlon 64 was launched late 2003.
    - layer8 5y ago
      I meant slightly more recent, like when Windows 10 was released. But no, my relatives have PCs from 2010 running 64-bit Windows that I upgraded to SSDs in the mid-2010‘s and that are still running perfectly fine. I myself was running a 2012 PC (with SSDs from the start) until last year, and the replacement isn’t that much faster. I’m also running a second PC from 2016 that doesn’t meet the Windows 11 requirements but would surely be fast enough beyond 2025.

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abricot 5y ago

"Windows 10 is 10 years old" It's a rolling release, so with 21H1 it's only half a year old. And I don't care what they do. It will be the last Windows for me.

ChuckNorris89 5y ago
21H1 is a release which is half a year old, the OS itself was launched in 2015 which makes it 10 years old in 2025.
- layer8 5y ago
  The issue is that hardware purchased last year and not supported by Windows 11 (like for example the Surface Studio 2 still sold by Microsoft, and other currently sold CPUs) has a much longer lifetime than five years.