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> Ok so when are you going to get a booster shot or your first COVID shot? I consider every interaction with the virus a booster shot. So I guess every day. >

> Ok so when are you going to get a booster shot or your first COVID shot? I consider every interaction with the virus a booster shot. So I guess every day. > False? Who cares? I'm in business and wear a mask Perhaps the right question would be where. I personally insist on masks every time I feel even slightly imperfect (which mostly is because I didn't sleep enough) even if the other people feel too confident. In fact I believe masks make the most sense out of all the measures deployed and allowing people use public transport and supermarkets without masks once most of them are vaccinated is going to be a huge mistake. > Which also suggests you are getting the virus again How is this getting it with natural immunity proven by a lab antibody test worse than getting it being vaccinated? > But hey screw everybody else right? Nobody experienced any symptoms after contacting me. Everybody I talked to still feels fine. I test. I wear FFP2. I use hand sanitizers. I avoid meeting anyone without a necessity (as I always did). And by the way I have also heard a rumor (though I don't rely on it as I never cared to check) getting an infection from a light/asymptomatic-symptomatic person means higher chances to overcome it without light symptoms too. > Your mentality around this is selfish and bizarre. No, I just the question above. I do everything I see logical reason in but I don't understand how is a vaccine better than immunity I have already developed naturally. Why is it supposed to protect the people around me better than the antibodies I already have? > The person you are replying to was discussing your complete misunderstanding of how vaccines work. Not commenting on naturally acquired immunity, which BTW doesn't mean you're 100% immune because that's now how things work. Ok. Would you be so kind to tell me how is a vaccine supposed to be better than contacting all the mutations of the actual live virus besides the fact the latter gives you less chances to survive unharmed and enjoy the immunity?

ericmay 5y ago
Right. Anything to avoid getting a vaccine. Any excuse imaginable. Got it. > Nobody experienced any symptoms after contacting me. Sure except you know people can transmit diseases without showing signs of symptoms. It's called being asymptomatic. > Ok. Would you be so kind to tell me how is a vaccine supposed to be better than contacting all the mutations of the actual live virus besides the fact the latter gives you less chances to survive unharmed and enjoy the immunity? You're familiar with the concept of a straw man right? Nobody is arguing this point. What we are arguing is your misunderstanding of "whatever is in a vaccine" from your original post. Here's what you said: > I trust my immune system more than I trust whatever the vaccine does It's clear from the start that you don't even know what a vaccine does. The vaccine does the exact same thing as obtaining the virus "naturally". It's a living virus, put into you, to train your immune system. It's the same thing. Trying to separate that out into a "natural" immunity versus an "artificial" immunity is not only incorrect scientifically but pretty comparable to believing the earth is flat or something. Here's another thing you said: > I never ever resisted any vaccine before and was always willing to get vaccinated against everything. So again, why is COVID-19 different? Explain the exact scientific and logical reasoning for resisting this vaccine and not others. > Why is it supposed to protect the people around me better than the antibodies I already have? So your plan is to just get COVID-19 + variants every year instead of getting a vaccine? Why? Why get yourself sick when a vaccine will do the exact same job? Doesn't seem very logical to me. Do you not get flu shots either? Do you realize that even if you didn't get extremely sick from your first interaction with COVID that it doesn't mean the next time you get a variant you won't be in a coffin? I don't understand at all the point of taking an unnecessary risk here.
- qwerty456127 5y ago
  > Right. Anything to avoid getting a vaccine. Any excuse imaginable. Got it. No. Just only get vaccinated if I understand why I should (I mean why I should, not why everybody should). Avoid everything if I don't understand why it is going to help me or anyone around me in my particular case. "Let's just apply the measure to everyone to get a better total result" approach doesn't convince me, I'm a strong proponent of individual approach in everything. > The vaccine does the exact same thing as obtaining the virus "naturally". It's a living virus, put into you, to train your immune system. It's the same thing. It's not THE virus. And not even a virus, it's an mRNA which tells the cells to produce something modeled by something they caught in a lab somewhere far away more than a year ago. I actually prefer the real viruses in the circulation given I've been lucky enough to resist any harm they could do. I know "natural" and "artificial" immunity work the same way, but the former is against the real viruses and the latter is against a model. >> I never ever resisted any vaccine before and was always willing to get vaccinated against everything. > So again, why is COVID-19 different? Explain the exact scientific and logical reasoning for resisting this vaccine and not others. Okay, not everything, only the diseases I'm not already immune to. I have chickenpox antibodies (because I had chickenpox when I was a child) so I don't feel like vaccinating against it. I have covid antibodies (because I had light covid obviously, how else could I get them? but the government doesn't believe I had it despite the antibody test, they only accept positive PCR tests taken during the sickness, to me this seems absurd) so I don't feel like vaccinating against covid. The moment when I probably caught it the vaccines were just invented and not available in my country. But I wouldn't hurry even if they were because not tested enough. I really want a vaccine against Lime's disease but am not going to hurry with it as soon as it gets approved, I'll wait some years anyway. Perhaps my logic is imperfect but can you really see no logic in this? > So your plan is to just get COVID-19 + variants every year instead of getting a vaccine? So again you believe a vaccine developed against some of the first variants is better than whatever immunity I already have (after surviving waves of all the known strains and having antibodies on a level higher than people I know got after serious sicknesses and vaccines)? I still don't understand why. > Why get yourself sick when a vaccine will do the exact same job? I don't get sick. Just slightly sick once long ago and still reliably high level of the antibodies. > Do you not get flu shots either? Flu isn't around me all year round. I never tried but I probably wouldn't find particularly high level of flu antibodies if I tested in summer. I don't think I would get the shot if I actually tested and found a reasonable amount of the antibodies. Or maybe I would because flu is more sophisticated AFAIK - there are more diverse varieties. Covid is always around and I think contacting it regularly works like booster shots. > it doesn't mean the next time ... you won't be in a coffin Nothing does. > I don't understand at all the point of taking an unnecessary risk here. I agree my understanding of the immune system and the vaccines is futile but again I'm not sure tuning it against an old strain can decrease my risk as compared to leaving it as it is after it has successfully tuned it against all the live strains in circulation.

ericmay 5y ago

Right. Anything to avoid getting a vaccine. Any excuse imaginable. Got it. > Nobody experienced any symptoms after contacting me. Sure except you know people can transmit diseases without showing signs of symptoms. It's called being asymptomatic. > Ok. Would you be so kind to tell me how is a vaccine supposed to be better than contacting all the mutations of the actual live virus besides the fact the latter gives you less chances to survive unharmed and enjoy the immunity? You're familiar with the concept of a straw man right? Nobody is arguing this point. What we are arguing is your misunderstanding of "whatever is in a vaccine" from your original post. Here's what you said: > I trust my immune system more than I trust whatever the vaccine does It's clear from the start that you don't even know what a vaccine does. The vaccine does the exact same thing as obtaining the virus "naturally". It's a living virus, put into you, to train your immune system. It's the same thing. Trying to separate that out into a "natural" immunity versus an "artificial" immunity is not only incorrect scientifically but pretty comparable to believing the earth is flat or something. Here's another thing you said: > I never ever resisted any vaccine before and was always willing to get vaccinated against everything. So again, why is COVID-19 different? Explain the exact scientific and logical reasoning for resisting this vaccine and not others. > Why is it supposed to protect the people around me better than the antibodies I already have? So your plan is to just get COVID-19 + variants every year instead of getting a vaccine? Why? Why get yourself sick when a vaccine will do the exact same job? Doesn't seem very logical to me. Do you not get flu shots either? Do you realize that even if you didn't get extremely sick from your first interaction with COVID that it doesn't mean the next time you get a variant you won't be in a coffin? I don't understand at all the point of taking an unnecessary risk here.

qwerty456127 5y ago
> Right. Anything to avoid getting a vaccine. Any excuse imaginable. Got it. No. Just only get vaccinated if I understand why I should (I mean why I should, not why everybody should). Avoid everything if I don't understand why it is going to help me or anyone around me in my particular case. "Let's just apply the measure to everyone to get a better total result" approach doesn't convince me, I'm a strong proponent of individual approach in everything. > The vaccine does the exact same thing as obtaining the virus "naturally". It's a living virus, put into you, to train your immune system. It's the same thing. It's not THE virus. And not even a virus, it's an mRNA which tells the cells to produce something modeled by something they caught in a lab somewhere far away more than a year ago. I actually prefer the real viruses in the circulation given I've been lucky enough to resist any harm they could do. I know "natural" and "artificial" immunity work the same way, but the former is against the real viruses and the latter is against a model. >> I never ever resisted any vaccine before and was always willing to get vaccinated against everything. > So again, why is COVID-19 different? Explain the exact scientific and logical reasoning for resisting this vaccine and not others. Okay, not everything, only the diseases I'm not already immune to. I have chickenpox antibodies (because I had chickenpox when I was a child) so I don't feel like vaccinating against it. I have covid antibodies (because I had light covid obviously, how else could I get them? but the government doesn't believe I had it despite the antibody test, they only accept positive PCR tests taken during the sickness, to me this seems absurd) so I don't feel like vaccinating against covid. The moment when I probably caught it the vaccines were just invented and not available in my country. But I wouldn't hurry even if they were because not tested enough. I really want a vaccine against Lime's disease but am not going to hurry with it as soon as it gets approved, I'll wait some years anyway. Perhaps my logic is imperfect but can you really see no logic in this? > So your plan is to just get COVID-19 + variants every year instead of getting a vaccine? So again you believe a vaccine developed against some of the first variants is better than whatever immunity I already have (after surviving waves of all the known strains and having antibodies on a level higher than people I know got after serious sicknesses and vaccines)? I still don't understand why. > Why get yourself sick when a vaccine will do the exact same job? I don't get sick. Just slightly sick once long ago and still reliably high level of the antibodies. > Do you not get flu shots either? Flu isn't around me all year round. I never tried but I probably wouldn't find particularly high level of flu antibodies if I tested in summer. I don't think I would get the shot if I actually tested and found a reasonable amount of the antibodies. Or maybe I would because flu is more sophisticated AFAIK - there are more diverse varieties. Covid is always around and I think contacting it regularly works like booster shots. > it doesn't mean the next time ... you won't be in a coffin Nothing does. > I don't understand at all the point of taking an unnecessary risk here. I agree my understanding of the immune system and the vaccines is futile but again I'm not sure tuning it against an old strain can decrease my risk as compared to leaving it as it is after it has successfully tuned it against all the live strains in circulation.