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Win11 does look rushed. They want TPM2.0 and to move the CPU requirements up about 7 years (which puts more than half of my computers and several family member

Win11 does look rushed. They want TPM2.0 and to move the CPU requirements up about 7 years (which puts more than half of my computers and several family members into EOL with respect to windows). The UI looks like some steps forward and many backwards. I am also thinking this sort of cutting out older harder in this way will make many people re-think if they need a computer or something like an ipad. I think I might upgrade one VM and see. Then leave most of my computers alone for now. It will take them a bit to shake out the quirks on this. It took them about 2 cycles to get win10 into a usable state. Which is fairly typical of them 'wait until service pack 2'.

ChuckNorris89 5y ago
>which puts more than half of my computers and several family members into EOL with respect to windows Why? It's not like Windows 10 will suddenly stop working for you. That will keep being supported until 2025 which, at 10 years total, is quite plenty. Sure, you won't get any of the new shiny features of Win 11 but if you're PCs are so old, then you won't need them anyway. Also, feel free to switch you and your family to Linux.
- sli 5y ago
  > Why? It's not like Windows 10 will suddenly stop working for you. While this is true, Windows 8.1 started to pester me about my hardware constantly on an older (but not old at the time) PC when it was getting towards EOL with an obnoxious popup.
  - nly 5y ago
    Windows 10, as of the October patch Tuesday, is already warning users that their machines are not Windows 11 ready
  - f3d46600-b66e 5y ago
    We have a computer (laptop) from 2011 - Lenovo w520, with 4 core i7 (second gen) and 16GB ram, full hd IPS screen, and factory SSD, and dedicated Nvidia Quadro with 2GB graphic ram. Boy this computer still rocks, and the battery still lasts 2-3 hours. I think there weren't that many advances in raw speed. The only thing it is missing is HEVC hardware decoding (i don't remember if it has h.264, possibly not) What I'm trying to say: 10 years is not that much for computers these day?
- ihattendorf 5y ago
  After 4 years they'll either not get security updates or have to switch to Linux. There are plenty of PCs running older hardware that'll most likely be perfectly fine after 2025 but no longer be able to run a supported version of Windows.
  - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
    >After 4 years they'll either not get security updates or have to switch to Linux. To be fair, Windows 10 will be 10 years old at that time and their PC will be over 11 years old which is an eternity in technology time. 11 year old HW is not very energy efficient and is often vulnerable to various side channel attacks that need SW mitigations which make them even slower. Newer HW is more secure, while being more energy efficient to boot. Even if Microsoft would continue support for ancient hardware, the chances are Nvidia and AMD would drop driver support for what they consider to be legacy hardware, like they alwasy do. I also keep my 15 year old PC (Core 2 Quad) going for my parents but I moved it to Linux as I can't expect Microsoft to keep supporting such old hardware for free forever and at some point, the SW and HW industry have to keep moving forward and that sometimes means removing support for legacy stuff even if that means cutting some users with old hardware off (they still can keep using their systems after all, just not run the latest and greatest SW). Is Apple doing better officially supporting hardware overs 10 years old?
    - vetinari 5y ago
      > To be fair, Windows 10 will be 10 years old at that time and their PC will be over 11 years old which is an eternity in technology time. To be fair, the PC won't be that old. Every single machine with Zen (1st gen Ryzen and Threadrippers), for example.
    - nikau 5y ago
      To be fair my 11 year old desktop CPU is faster than the cpu in my brand new work laptop.
    - saiya-jin 5y ago
      > 11 years old which is an eternity in technology time No its not. For casual use, 15 year old PC is very much fine and works perfectly in many use cases ie for our parents. You may swap for SSD but that's it, it can be blazingly fast for the tasks required. Forcing everybody to move into Linux when they can barely handle Windows is quite a stretch, there might be licences to software which won't work, same for hardware. Lets not forget whole world isn't on HN level of computer expertise to debug issues.
- plandis 5y ago
  I’ve been fully off Windows for about a year now but if I was using Windows I’d be a bit upset if I had bought the non-free version that Windows advertised as the last Windows OS you will ever need and now they are going back on that. That’s classic old Microsoft behavior.
  - vbezhenar 5y ago
    They allow free upgrade.
- f3d46600-b66e 5y ago
  We have a computer (laptop) from 2011 - Lenovo w520, with 4 core i7 (second gen) and 16GB ram, full hd IPS screen, and factory SSD, and dedicated Nvidia Quadro with 2GB graphic ram. Boy this computer still rocks, and the battery still lasts 2-3 hours. I think there weren't that many advances in raw speed. The only thing it is missing is HEVC hardware decoding (i don't remember if it has h.264, possibly not) What I'm trying to say: 10 years is not that much for computers these day?
secondcoming 5y ago
Unfortunately, things being EOL'd is increasingly common place. I have issues with 'your OS is no longer supported' on both my iPad and Android phone. This becomes a problem when things like your banking app no longer work because they insist on being upgraded, but the upgrade won't install.
- neuronic 5y ago
  What kind of iPad do you have if the OS is no longer supported? For mobile devices, Apple is comparatively good at supporting older generations.
  - secondcoming 5y ago
    iPad4 I think. Old, but otherwise perfectly fine.
  - dehrmann 5y ago
    4th gen iPads got dropped because they only have a 32-bit CPU.

ChuckNorris89 5y ago

>which puts more than half of my computers and several family members into EOL with respect to windows Why? It's not like Windows 10 will suddenly stop working for you. That will keep being supported until 2025 which, at 10 years total, is quite plenty. Sure, you won't get any of the new shiny features of Win 11 but if you're PCs are so old, then you won't need them anyway. Also, feel free to switch you and your family to Linux.

sli 5y ago
> Why? It's not like Windows 10 will suddenly stop working for you. While this is true, Windows 8.1 started to pester me about my hardware constantly on an older (but not old at the time) PC when it was getting towards EOL with an obnoxious popup.
- nly 5y ago
  Windows 10, as of the October patch Tuesday, is already warning users that their machines are not Windows 11 ready
- f3d46600-b66e 5y ago
  We have a computer (laptop) from 2011 - Lenovo w520, with 4 core i7 (second gen) and 16GB ram, full hd IPS screen, and factory SSD, and dedicated Nvidia Quadro with 2GB graphic ram. Boy this computer still rocks, and the battery still lasts 2-3 hours. I think there weren't that many advances in raw speed. The only thing it is missing is HEVC hardware decoding (i don't remember if it has h.264, possibly not) What I'm trying to say: 10 years is not that much for computers these day?
ihattendorf 5y ago
After 4 years they'll either not get security updates or have to switch to Linux. There are plenty of PCs running older hardware that'll most likely be perfectly fine after 2025 but no longer be able to run a supported version of Windows.
- ChuckNorris89 5y ago
  >After 4 years they'll either not get security updates or have to switch to Linux. To be fair, Windows 10 will be 10 years old at that time and their PC will be over 11 years old which is an eternity in technology time. 11 year old HW is not very energy efficient and is often vulnerable to various side channel attacks that need SW mitigations which make them even slower. Newer HW is more secure, while being more energy efficient to boot. Even if Microsoft would continue support for ancient hardware, the chances are Nvidia and AMD would drop driver support for what they consider to be legacy hardware, like they alwasy do. I also keep my 15 year old PC (Core 2 Quad) going for my parents but I moved it to Linux as I can't expect Microsoft to keep supporting such old hardware for free forever and at some point, the SW and HW industry have to keep moving forward and that sometimes means removing support for legacy stuff even if that means cutting some users with old hardware off (they still can keep using their systems after all, just not run the latest and greatest SW). Is Apple doing better officially supporting hardware overs 10 years old?
  - vetinari 5y ago
    > To be fair, Windows 10 will be 10 years old at that time and their PC will be over 11 years old which is an eternity in technology time. To be fair, the PC won't be that old. Every single machine with Zen (1st gen Ryzen and Threadrippers), for example.
  - nikau 5y ago
    To be fair my 11 year old desktop CPU is faster than the cpu in my brand new work laptop.
  - saiya-jin 5y ago
    > 11 years old which is an eternity in technology time No its not. For casual use, 15 year old PC is very much fine and works perfectly in many use cases ie for our parents. You may swap for SSD but that's it, it can be blazingly fast for the tasks required. Forcing everybody to move into Linux when they can barely handle Windows is quite a stretch, there might be licences to software which won't work, same for hardware. Lets not forget whole world isn't on HN level of computer expertise to debug issues.
plandis 5y ago
I’ve been fully off Windows for about a year now but if I was using Windows I’d be a bit upset if I had bought the non-free version that Windows advertised as the last Windows OS you will ever need and now they are going back on that. That’s classic old Microsoft behavior.
- vbezhenar 5y ago
  They allow free upgrade.
f3d46600-b66e 5y ago
We have a computer (laptop) from 2011 - Lenovo w520, with 4 core i7 (second gen) and 16GB ram, full hd IPS screen, and factory SSD, and dedicated Nvidia Quadro with 2GB graphic ram. Boy this computer still rocks, and the battery still lasts 2-3 hours. I think there weren't that many advances in raw speed. The only thing it is missing is HEVC hardware decoding (i don't remember if it has h.264, possibly not) What I'm trying to say: 10 years is not that much for computers these day?

secondcoming 5y ago

Unfortunately, things being EOL'd is increasingly common place. I have issues with 'your OS is no longer supported' on both my iPad and Android phone. This becomes a problem when things like your banking app no longer work because they insist on being upgraded, but the upgrade won't install.

neuronic 5y ago
What kind of iPad do you have if the OS is no longer supported? For mobile devices, Apple is comparatively good at supporting older generations.
- secondcoming 5y ago
  iPad4 I think. Old, but otherwise perfectly fine.
- dehrmann 5y ago
  4th gen iPads got dropped because they only have a 32-bit CPU.