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> This person is to be despised. Not because they don't want to work, but because they want to cheat the system. So what is a person to do, when the system che

> This person is to be despised. Not because they don't want to work, but because they want to cheat the system. So what is a person to do, when the system cheats them? Seems reasonable to cheat back.

bko 5y ago
How does the system cheat them? I can guarantee you work is a lot more pleasant for myself and my peers than it has ever been. I have more options than ever and I get treated much better by my employer than my parents ever did, not to mention my grandparents.
- hypertele-Xii 5y ago
  Yes but do you have to work? Does your livelyhood depend on it? Does it define you as a person? Does society shut you out if you stop working, even temporarily? There's the concept of the modern slave. While technically your employment is voluntary and you are receiving a reward for it, the system appears as if calibrated to siphon back everything given and more. Entire armies of people are employed to extract as much wealth from you as possible. They bombard you with advertizements at every opportunity on the street and in your home, pushing you crap you don't need while conditioning you to equate having them with power, status, sex and success. Scientists and engineers construct the most technologically elaborate optimizations to have unsupervised black box AI machines make whatever moves legal or novel to take everything you have and make your life miserable without justice or recourse. You did read all of the EULA before accepting, right? Oh wait I was born here I never signed the constitution!
  - erik_seaberg 5y ago
    > take everything you have Everything I have was created by other people. This can’t work if everyone takes more than they give.
    - hypertele-Xii 5y ago
      Strange. I have lots of things created by plants and fungi, no people involved.
      - erik_seaberg 5y ago
        I don’t know that we have enough arable land for the entire population to subsist on farms with no large-scale technology, and people seem to opt for sweatshops rather than that life.

bko 5y ago

How does the system cheat them? I can guarantee you work is a lot more pleasant for myself and my peers than it has ever been. I have more options than ever and I get treated much better by my employer than my parents ever did, not to mention my grandparents.

hypertele-Xii 5y ago
Yes but do you have to work? Does your livelyhood depend on it? Does it define you as a person? Does society shut you out if you stop working, even temporarily? There's the concept of the modern slave. While technically your employment is voluntary and you are receiving a reward for it, the system appears as if calibrated to siphon back everything given and more. Entire armies of people are employed to extract as much wealth from you as possible. They bombard you with advertizements at every opportunity on the street and in your home, pushing you crap you don't need while conditioning you to equate having them with power, status, sex and success. Scientists and engineers construct the most technologically elaborate optimizations to have unsupervised black box AI machines make whatever moves legal or novel to take everything you have and make your life miserable without justice or recourse. You did read all of the EULA before accepting, right? Oh wait I was born here I never signed the constitution!
- erik_seaberg 5y ago
  > take everything you have Everything I have was created by other people. This can’t work if everyone takes more than they give.
  - hypertele-Xii 5y ago
    Strange. I have lots of things created by plants and fungi, no people involved.
    - erik_seaberg 5y ago
      I don’t know that we have enough arable land for the entire population to subsist on farms with no large-scale technology, and people seem to opt for sweatshops rather than that life.