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All the companies I have been at allowed their employees to get the latest iPhone as a work phone when they were released. The IT department had no say in that.

simonh 5y ago
At senior level you can sometimes buy it BYOD and expense it, but the market dynamics of that are the same as personal purchases and people will get whatever specific model they prefer. That's very different from enterprise IT department and fleet phone ordering, which is where the real numbers are.
- saagarjha 5y ago
  Real numbers…of iPhones? No, the real numbers are what people buy for themselves.
  - ghaff 5y ago
    I don't have numbers but while maybe in the SV bubble iPhones are given to employees en masse, the more typical pattern is people just buy their own phones and the company may reimburse some amount of monthly mobile fees.
    - nikau 5y ago
      I worked for a company that had management performance bonuses linked to moving 90%+ of users from firm supplied handset and plans onto byod.
- lillecarl 5y ago
  I work at an MSP that acts "IT department" for the SME segment. We also sell phones, laptops, desktops and peripherals. Our customers always get iPhones, the seniors always gets the latest and greatest iPhone. This is in Sweden where we're taxed about 50% (I make 50% of what my employer pays for me), this might make us give away iPhones to employees like it's nothing. Think of this: Employment tax, 30%, income tax 30%, value added tax for goods, 25%. My employer doesn't have to pay either of these, but if I were to buy an iPhone I'd have to pay all of it. I imagine this affects how generous our employers are giving us "tax free perks". I had to argue the case with my boss(CEO) to get a cheaper phone since I break them quite often and felt shameful bringing the bills in for repairs. Now that I'm changing jobs my new employer asked "what gear do you want", I could get essentially whatever I wanted. Seems like a kitted System76 laptop and a Fairphone 4, is what I'll stick with. TL;DR: Tax affects who gets what in what way.
  - nikau 5y ago
    Similar in Australia with salary sacrifice tax breaks for buying mobile phones and laptops 'primarily for work purposes'

simonh 5y ago

At senior level you can sometimes buy it BYOD and expense it, but the market dynamics of that are the same as personal purchases and people will get whatever specific model they prefer. That's very different from enterprise IT department and fleet phone ordering, which is where the real numbers are.

saagarjha 5y ago
Real numbers…of iPhones? No, the real numbers are what people buy for themselves.
- ghaff 5y ago
  I don't have numbers but while maybe in the SV bubble iPhones are given to employees en masse, the more typical pattern is people just buy their own phones and the company may reimburse some amount of monthly mobile fees.
  - nikau 5y ago
    I worked for a company that had management performance bonuses linked to moving 90%+ of users from firm supplied handset and plans onto byod.
lillecarl 5y ago
I work at an MSP that acts "IT department" for the SME segment. We also sell phones, laptops, desktops and peripherals. Our customers always get iPhones, the seniors always gets the latest and greatest iPhone. This is in Sweden where we're taxed about 50% (I make 50% of what my employer pays for me), this might make us give away iPhones to employees like it's nothing. Think of this: Employment tax, 30%, income tax 30%, value added tax for goods, 25%. My employer doesn't have to pay either of these, but if I were to buy an iPhone I'd have to pay all of it. I imagine this affects how generous our employers are giving us "tax free perks". I had to argue the case with my boss(CEO) to get a cheaper phone since I break them quite often and felt shameful bringing the bills in for repairs. Now that I'm changing jobs my new employer asked "what gear do you want", I could get essentially whatever I wanted. Seems like a kitted System76 laptop and a Fairphone 4, is what I'll stick with. TL;DR: Tax affects who gets what in what way.
- nikau 5y ago
  Similar in Australia with salary sacrifice tax breaks for buying mobile phones and laptops 'primarily for work purposes'