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> It shows your immune system what a disease looks like But it knows! Why should I now train it on a picture if there are live viruses of all the mutations all

> It shows your immune system what a disease looks like But it knows! Why should I now train it on a picture if there are live viruses of all the mutations all over around which I have already encountered countless times and keep encountering every day? I would certainly vaccinate if I were going to an infected place from a place where there is no such virus. Or if the disease was widespread somewhere else and coming to my place while there already was a vaccine. But I have been living emerged deep in the infection intensively for over 2 years already! I have never even decreased (even increased actually, meeting many new people every day, and nobody wears masks in business) my social interactions, just tested regularly and wore a mask in public transport. I even drank from the same cup with an sick and positive girl once, then self-isolated for some days, tested regularly (incl. in-lab PCR) - all negative, no sickness. And even lab tests objectively show I have been maintaining high level of antibodies for already a year (which suggests they are renewing given regular contact). How can we possibly suspect my immune system still has not enough clue and an instruction can be better than what it already knows? > apply iterative mutations to the best solutions in order to find a successful match. But I apparently applied very successful matches to every mutation! > What in the world do you think a vaccine is? Vaccine-based immunity is natural immunity. To something specific, more precisely - a specific model (not even a real object) isn't it?

ericmay 5y ago
> But it knows! Why should I now train it on a picture if there are live viruses of all the mutations all over around which I have already encountered countless times and keep encountering every day? Ok so when are you going to get a booster shot or your first COVID shot? Or are you planning on getting the disease again and letting it run its course? Any why would you treat this vaccine any different than the flu vaccine or w/e? It makes absolutely no sense. If you don't understand the science, how are you making informed decisions? > nobody wears masks in business False? Who cares? I'm in business and wear a mask all the time when meeting with clients if we even meet on-site. > which suggests they are renewing given regular contact Which also suggests you are getting the virus again and giving it to people you interact with who may now be getting COVID-19 for the first time. You're literally perpetuating the disease! But hey screw everybody else right? Those who might not be able to get the vaccine, like, oh idk, my nephew? Or maybe kids who BTW aren't immune from getting sick. Your mentality around this is selfish and bizarre. > How can we possibly suspect my immune system still has not enough clue and an instruction can be better than what it already knows? The person you are replying to was discussing your complete misunderstanding of how vaccines work. Not commenting on naturally acquired immunity, which BTW doesn't mean you're 100% immune because that's now how things work.
- qwerty456127 5y ago
  > Ok so when are you going to get a booster shot or your first COVID shot? I consider every interaction with the virus a booster shot. So I guess every day. > False? Who cares? I'm in business and wear a mask Perhaps the right question would be where. I personally insist on masks every time I feel even slightly imperfect (which mostly is because I didn't sleep enough) even if the other people feel too confident. In fact I believe masks make the most sense out of all the measures deployed and allowing people use public transport and supermarkets without masks once most of them are vaccinated is going to be a huge mistake. > Which also suggests you are getting the virus again How is this getting it with natural immunity proven by a lab antibody test worse than getting it being vaccinated? > But hey screw everybody else right? Nobody experienced any symptoms after contacting me. Everybody I talked to still feels fine. I test. I wear FFP2. I use hand sanitizers. I avoid meeting anyone without a necessity (as I always did). And by the way I have also heard a rumor (though I don't rely on it as I never cared to check) getting an infection from a light/asymptomatic-symptomatic person means higher chances to overcome it without light symptoms too. > Your mentality around this is selfish and bizarre. No, I just the question above. I do everything I see logical reason in but I don't understand how is a vaccine better than immunity I have already developed naturally. Why is it supposed to protect the people around me better than the antibodies I already have? > The person you are replying to was discussing your complete misunderstanding of how vaccines work. Not commenting on naturally acquired immunity, which BTW doesn't mean you're 100% immune because that's now how things work. Ok. Would you be so kind to tell me how is a vaccine supposed to be better than contacting all the mutations of the actual live virus besides the fact the latter gives you less chances to survive unharmed and enjoy the immunity?
  - ericmay 5y ago
    Right. Anything to avoid getting a vaccine. Any excuse imaginable. Got it. > Nobody experienced any symptoms after contacting me. Sure except you know people can transmit diseases without showing signs of symptoms. It's called being asymptomatic. > Ok. Would you be so kind to tell me how is a vaccine supposed to be better than contacting all the mutations of the actual live virus besides the fact the latter gives you less chances to survive unharmed and enjoy the immunity? You're familiar with the concept of a straw man right? Nobody is arguing this point. What we are arguing is your misunderstanding of "whatever is in a vaccine" from your original post. Here's what you said: > I trust my immune system more than I trust whatever the vaccine does It's clear from the start that you don't even know what a vaccine does. The vaccine does the exact same thing as obtaining the virus "naturally". It's a living virus, put into you, to train your immune system. It's the same thing. Trying to separate that out into a "natural" immunity versus an "artificial" immunity is not only incorrect scientifically but pretty comparable to believing the earth is flat or something. Here's another thing you said: > I never ever resisted any vaccine before and was always willing to get vaccinated against everything. So again, why is COVID-19 different? Explain the exact scientific and logical reasoning for resisting this vaccine and not others. > Why is it supposed to protect the people around me better than the antibodies I already have? So your plan is to just get COVID-19 + variants every year instead of getting a vaccine? Why? Why get yourself sick when a vaccine will do the exact same job? Doesn't seem very logical to me. Do you not get flu shots either? Do you realize that even if you didn't get extremely sick from your first interaction with COVID that it doesn't mean the next time you get a variant you won't be in a coffin? I don't understand at all the point of taking an unnecessary risk here.

ericmay 5y ago

> But it knows! Why should I now train it on a picture if there are live viruses of all the mutations all over around which I have already encountered countless times and keep encountering every day? Ok so when are you going to get a booster shot or your first COVID shot? Or are you planning on getting the disease again and letting it run its course? Any why would you treat this vaccine any different than the flu vaccine or w/e? It makes absolutely no sense. If you don't understand the science, how are you making informed decisions? > nobody wears masks in business False? Who cares? I'm in business and wear a mask all the time when meeting with clients if we even meet on-site. > which suggests they are renewing given regular contact Which also suggests you are getting the virus again and giving it to people you interact with who may now be getting COVID-19 for the first time. You're literally perpetuating the disease! But hey screw everybody else right? Those who might not be able to get the vaccine, like, oh idk, my nephew? Or maybe kids who BTW aren't immune from getting sick. Your mentality around this is selfish and bizarre. > How can we possibly suspect my immune system still has not enough clue and an instruction can be better than what it already knows? The person you are replying to was discussing your complete misunderstanding of how vaccines work. Not commenting on naturally acquired immunity, which BTW doesn't mean you're 100% immune because that's now how things work.

qwerty456127 5y ago
> Ok so when are you going to get a booster shot or your first COVID shot? I consider every interaction with the virus a booster shot. So I guess every day. > False? Who cares? I'm in business and wear a mask Perhaps the right question would be where. I personally insist on masks every time I feel even slightly imperfect (which mostly is because I didn't sleep enough) even if the other people feel too confident. In fact I believe masks make the most sense out of all the measures deployed and allowing people use public transport and supermarkets without masks once most of them are vaccinated is going to be a huge mistake. > Which also suggests you are getting the virus again How is this getting it with natural immunity proven by a lab antibody test worse than getting it being vaccinated? > But hey screw everybody else right? Nobody experienced any symptoms after contacting me. Everybody I talked to still feels fine. I test. I wear FFP2. I use hand sanitizers. I avoid meeting anyone without a necessity (as I always did). And by the way I have also heard a rumor (though I don't rely on it as I never cared to check) getting an infection from a light/asymptomatic-symptomatic person means higher chances to overcome it without light symptoms too. > Your mentality around this is selfish and bizarre. No, I just the question above. I do everything I see logical reason in but I don't understand how is a vaccine better than immunity I have already developed naturally. Why is it supposed to protect the people around me better than the antibodies I already have? > The person you are replying to was discussing your complete misunderstanding of how vaccines work. Not commenting on naturally acquired immunity, which BTW doesn't mean you're 100% immune because that's now how things work. Ok. Would you be so kind to tell me how is a vaccine supposed to be better than contacting all the mutations of the actual live virus besides the fact the latter gives you less chances to survive unharmed and enjoy the immunity?
- ericmay 5y ago
  Right. Anything to avoid getting a vaccine. Any excuse imaginable. Got it. > Nobody experienced any symptoms after contacting me. Sure except you know people can transmit diseases without showing signs of symptoms. It's called being asymptomatic. > Ok. Would you be so kind to tell me how is a vaccine supposed to be better than contacting all the mutations of the actual live virus besides the fact the latter gives you less chances to survive unharmed and enjoy the immunity? You're familiar with the concept of a straw man right? Nobody is arguing this point. What we are arguing is your misunderstanding of "whatever is in a vaccine" from your original post. Here's what you said: > I trust my immune system more than I trust whatever the vaccine does It's clear from the start that you don't even know what a vaccine does. The vaccine does the exact same thing as obtaining the virus "naturally". It's a living virus, put into you, to train your immune system. It's the same thing. Trying to separate that out into a "natural" immunity versus an "artificial" immunity is not only incorrect scientifically but pretty comparable to believing the earth is flat or something. Here's another thing you said: > I never ever resisted any vaccine before and was always willing to get vaccinated against everything. So again, why is COVID-19 different? Explain the exact scientific and logical reasoning for resisting this vaccine and not others. > Why is it supposed to protect the people around me better than the antibodies I already have? So your plan is to just get COVID-19 + variants every year instead of getting a vaccine? Why? Why get yourself sick when a vaccine will do the exact same job? Doesn't seem very logical to me. Do you not get flu shots either? Do you realize that even if you didn't get extremely sick from your first interaction with COVID that it doesn't mean the next time you get a variant you won't be in a coffin? I don't understand at all the point of taking an unnecessary risk here.