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> Which is fantastic; very useful backtrace; no notes. And why is this? Why can’t I shadow this function? Not sure what the author means by "no notes". The tra

by jsnell 5y ago

> Which is fantastic; very useful backtrace; no notes. And why is this? Why can’t I shadow this function? Not sure what the author means by "no notes". The transcript they posted does point to both the exact chapters in both the implementation and standard docs: ; See also: ; The SBCL Manual, Node "Package Locks" ; The ANSI Standard, Section 11.1.2.1.2

komon 5y ago
"no notes" is an idiom meaning "I have no suggestions for improvement" The author was being sincere, rather than sarcastic as your initial parse suggests
- jsnell 5y ago
  I was not suggesting they were being sarcastic. I was suggesting they had not actually noticed that the error message actually answered their question: "Why can’t I shadow this function?". This is the section of the standard the error message points at: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw71/CLHS/Body/11_abab.htm http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw71/CLHS/Body/11_aba... And this is the reasoning for why that section exists, linked to from that page: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw71/CLHS/Issues/iss214_w.htm http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw71/CLHS/Issues/iss2...
  - dunefox 5y ago
    I read it the same way. I haven't heard this idiom either.
  - mst 5y ago
    Having also not spent that much quality time with the hyperspec, even if I've quite enjoyed dabbling in common lisp from time to time, it wouldn't've occurred to me that the spec would explain 'why' as well as 'what'. "Underestimating the hyperspec" is a persistent mistake on my part sadly, although I at least seem to underestimate it less these days.
abbeyj 5y ago
The phrase "no notes" is slang from show business. After you're shown a script or a performance you may have "notes" to share indicating what you think is wrong with it. If you have "no notes" then you think it is perfect as-is and needs no changes. The author here is not saying that the message has no notes. They are saying that they have "no notes" to offer the creators of the message on ways to improve it See, for example: https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/no-notes.3042292/ https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/no-notes.3042292/ https://hinative.com/en-US/questions/15238431 https://hinative.com/en-US/questions/15238431 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NVQ8v1P4go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NVQ8v1P4go

by jsnell 5y ago

komon 5y ago

"no notes" is an idiom meaning "I have no suggestions for improvement" The author was being sincere, rather than sarcastic as your initial parse suggests

jsnell 5y ago
I was not suggesting they were being sarcastic. I was suggesting they had not actually noticed that the error message actually answered their question: "Why can’t I shadow this function?". This is the section of the standard the error message points at: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw71/CLHS/Body/11_abab.htm http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw71/CLHS/Body/11_aba... And this is the reasoning for why that section exists, linked to from that page: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw71/CLHS/Issues/iss214_w.htm http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw71/CLHS/Issues/iss2...
- dunefox 5y ago
  I read it the same way. I haven't heard this idiom either.
- mst 5y ago
  Having also not spent that much quality time with the hyperspec, even if I've quite enjoyed dabbling in common lisp from time to time, it wouldn't've occurred to me that the spec would explain 'why' as well as 'what'. "Underestimating the hyperspec" is a persistent mistake on my part sadly, although I at least seem to underestimate it less these days.

abbeyj 5y ago

The phrase "no notes" is slang from show business. After you're shown a script or a performance you may have "notes" to share indicating what you think is wrong with it. If you have "no notes" then you think it is perfect as-is and needs no changes. The author here is not saying that the message has no notes. They are saying that they have "no notes" to offer the creators of the message on ways to improve it See, for example: https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/no-notes.3042292/ https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/no-notes.3042292/ https://hinative.com/en-US/questions/15238431 https://hinative.com/en-US/questions/15238431 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NVQ8v1P4go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NVQ8v1P4go