4 ms·
According to Sabine Hossenfelder, ITER will only actually generate 0.57 of what's put in. The large number out isn't the full story. http://backreaction.blogsp
by pronlover723 5y ago
According to Sabine Hossenfelder, ITER will only actually generate 0.57 of what's put in. The large number out isn't the full story.
http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2021/10/how-close-is-nuclear-fusion-power.html http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2021/10/how-close-is-nuclea...
> You have seen in the earlier quotes about ITER that the energy input is normally said to be 50 MegaWatts. But according to the head of the Electrical Engineering Division of the ITER Project, Ivone Benfatto, ITER will consume about 440 MegaWatts while it produces fusion power. That gives us an estimate for the total energy that goes in.
> Though that is misleading already because 120 of those 440 MegaWatts are consumed whether or not there’s any plasma in the reactor, so using this number assumes the thing would be running permanently. But okay, let’s leave this aside.
> The plan is that ITER will generate 500 MegaWatts of fusion power in heat. If we assume a 50% efficiency for converting this heat into electricity, ITER will produce about 250 MegaWatts of electric power.
> That gives us a Q total of about 0.57. That’s less than a tenth of the normally stated Q plasma of 10. Even optimistically, ITER will still consume roughly twice the power it generates. What’s with the earlier claim of a Q of 0.67 for the JET experiment? Same thing.
- Xixi 5y agoThe roadmap has always been: ITER, DEMO [1] and then PROTO [2]. "DEMO refers to a proposed class of nuclear fusion experimental reactors that are intended to demonstrate the net production of electric power from nuclear fusion." [1] So indeed the road is long, and ITER is not DEMO, and DEMO is not PROTO. I've read a lot of good arguments against ITER, but ITER not being DEMO is not one of them. By the way, just to be pedantic: ITER will not actually generate 0.57 of what's put in. It would only generate 0.57 of what's put in, if someone bothered to hook a generator to it. But since no generator will be hooked, it will generate exactly 0 Watts of electricity. Generated heat will simply be dissipated away. To be net positive in production of electricity, EU DEMO is expected to have a Q of 25... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEMOnstration_Power_Plant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEMOnstration_Power_Plant [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PROTO_(fusion_reactor) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PROTO_(fusion_reactor)