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worth remembering that we have > 8000 deaths a day under normal circumstances and with covid does not necessarily mean because of covid.

by rkk3 5y ago

SamBam 5y ago
We're still getting ~15,000 excess deaths every week, compared to recent similar years and given our population size. [1] I'd like to see how to explain all 15,000 deaths per week as being simply "with Covid" instead of caused by Covid. Is it all still lockdown-related stress causing the deaths? And all of them happened to die "with Covid?" 1. https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-...
- piva00 5y ago
  This line of reasoning from the parent comment is tedious, I don't know where it originates from but I had to debunk the same statement made by Brazilians and used the same metric as you: excess deaths are still high as a kite. It's exhausting to be facing this misinformation spread in different languages and cultures. Even here in Sweden I have had to put up with people using flawed statistics to make a point without considering the nuances of the metrics they choose to parade around. I'm tired.
- ryanbrunner 5y ago
  The link you posted is just raw excess deaths. Whether they had COVID or not is unknown, so the "with COVID" vs" "from COVID" argument is irrelevant here. While I agree with you that a significant part of those deaths are in fact from COVID, there's other explanations other than "lockdown stress" that could cause increased excess deaths - people avoiding medical treatment due to fear of catching COVID in healthcare settings, hospitals being overloaded in the first place and surgeries being delayed, or poorer health outcomes due to financial impact, which in extreme cases could cause food insecurity or homelessness.
ChrisRR 5y ago
Come on, it's been a year and a half now. Why are people still making these tired points which have been discounted all over We all know with covid doesn't always mean because of covid, but it's statistically significant enough that dying shortly after covid gives a pretty damn good representation of the infection rate. It's statistically unlikely that you die from unrelated causes within 28 days of a positive covid test

worth remembering that we have > 8000 deaths a day under normal circumstances and with covid does not necessarily mean because of covid.

by rkk3 5y ago

worth remembering that we have > 8000 deaths a day under normal circumstances and with covid does not necessarily mean because of covid.

SamBam 5y ago

We're still getting ~15,000 excess deaths every week, compared to recent similar years and given our population size. [1] I'd like to see how to explain all 15,000 deaths per week as being simply "with Covid" instead of caused by Covid. Is it all still lockdown-related stress causing the deaths? And all of them happened to die "with Covid?" 1. https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-...

piva00 5y ago
This line of reasoning from the parent comment is tedious, I don't know where it originates from but I had to debunk the same statement made by Brazilians and used the same metric as you: excess deaths are still high as a kite. It's exhausting to be facing this misinformation spread in different languages and cultures. Even here in Sweden I have had to put up with people using flawed statistics to make a point without considering the nuances of the metrics they choose to parade around. I'm tired.
ryanbrunner 5y ago
The link you posted is just raw excess deaths. Whether they had COVID or not is unknown, so the "with COVID" vs" "from COVID" argument is irrelevant here. While I agree with you that a significant part of those deaths are in fact from COVID, there's other explanations other than "lockdown stress" that could cause increased excess deaths - people avoiding medical treatment due to fear of catching COVID in healthcare settings, hospitals being overloaded in the first place and surgeries being delayed, or poorer health outcomes due to financial impact, which in extreme cases could cause food insecurity or homelessness.

ChrisRR 5y ago

Come on, it's been a year and a half now. Why are people still making these tired points which have been discounted all over We all know with covid doesn't always mean because of covid, but it's statistically significant enough that dying shortly after covid gives a pretty damn good representation of the infection rate. It's statistically unlikely that you die from unrelated causes within 28 days of a positive covid test