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...what are you even talking about with "you can't prove a negative?" The link I provided "is an electronic vaccination record drawn from the data stored in th

...what are you even talking about with "you can't prove a negative?" The link I provided "is an electronic vaccination record drawn from the data stored in the California immunization registry." It doesn't accept user submissions; it only accepts data from recognized health organizations. The website allows you to put in your name and birthdate and get a QR code that can be scanned and will take you back to the website, showing dates you were vaccinated. It requires someone confirming that the QR code is directing them to the correct website, and confirm name and birthdate, but that's far more available to actually check than a PCR test. Meaning no need to rely on easily faked vaccination cards; you instead ask for a QR code, scan it, and confirm it took you to the government site, with a name and birthdate that matches some government issued picture ID. Still 'beatable', if you have good fake ID for a person who has been vaccinated, but just as good in 'security' as relying on a PCR test (since it's still ultimately pulling from a publicly readable, only privately writeable DB), and probably a better assertion than "PCR test", since it can work for everyone, and tells you the date of vaccination (whereas date of antibodies being detected doesn't tell you anything about whether they still have natural immunity now).

colordrops 5y ago
What I mean is that unless you only accept vaccination status if it's in a public database, any one can fake being vaccinated. Many if not most jurisdictions do not record it, and a piece of paper is all you need. And you can't force people to get it again if it's not on record, because the vaccines aren't approved for arbitrary numbers of shots. The anti-vaxx community is rife with fake covid vaccine cards. So, you can't prove a negative, that being that someone has not been vaccinated. But you can prove that you had covid.
- lostcolony 5y ago
  You can prove that you were vaccinated in CA. I've already been in venues that required that if you had a CA driver's license (and required government issued photo ID).
  - colordrops 5y ago
    But CA is not the entire world. What do you do with people who got vaccinated elsewhere? What about CA residents that claim they got vaccinated elsewhere? You can't do anything about that. It's a huge gaping hole in the logic.
    - lostcolony 5y ago
      Your original post said "I'm in LA county and they keep a database." CA is larger than LA county, so immediately is more effective than what you proposed in your OP. There are also multiple initiatives to make country-wide databases of vaccination status available via app. Test status? False positives, false negatives, can be done at home, etc, and -still only applies to people who have had COVID-. Everyone without a health issue (that should keep them out of public spaces anyway) can get vaccinated.
      - colordrops 5y ago
        This doesn't address anything I said. Please directly address these two points: 1. You cannot prove someone has been vaccinated as the system currently exists. That ship has already sailed. Anyone can opt out by lying that they got vaccinated somewhere that doesn't keep public records. Those mandating vaccinations have have to accept this because vaccines aren't approved for more than 2 (or 3) shots, so you can't force people to get vaccinated again if they don't have a verifiable record. Even if there's a worldwide database rolled out, it's too late, too many people got vaccinated off the record. 2. You CAN prove you've had covid with a high degree of certainty. Recent tests have low false positive rates. Why let people slip out of the vaccine mandate with an easy lie yet corner those who have already had covid and therefore better immunity than the vaccinated? It's nonsense that ignores reality.
        tragictrash 5y ago
        This is the only nonsense here. please stop spreading covid misinformation about natural immunity being stronger. https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-immunity-versus-vaccination https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-i...

colordrops 5y ago

What I mean is that unless you only accept vaccination status if it's in a public database, any one can fake being vaccinated. Many if not most jurisdictions do not record it, and a piece of paper is all you need. And you can't force people to get it again if it's not on record, because the vaccines aren't approved for arbitrary numbers of shots. The anti-vaxx community is rife with fake covid vaccine cards. So, you can't prove a negative, that being that someone has not been vaccinated. But you can prove that you had covid.

lostcolony 5y ago
You can prove that you were vaccinated in CA. I've already been in venues that required that if you had a CA driver's license (and required government issued photo ID).
- colordrops 5y ago
  But CA is not the entire world. What do you do with people who got vaccinated elsewhere? What about CA residents that claim they got vaccinated elsewhere? You can't do anything about that. It's a huge gaping hole in the logic.
  - lostcolony 5y ago
    Your original post said "I'm in LA county and they keep a database." CA is larger than LA county, so immediately is more effective than what you proposed in your OP. There are also multiple initiatives to make country-wide databases of vaccination status available via app. Test status? False positives, false negatives, can be done at home, etc, and -still only applies to people who have had COVID-. Everyone without a health issue (that should keep them out of public spaces anyway) can get vaccinated.
    - colordrops 5y ago
      This doesn't address anything I said. Please directly address these two points: 1. You cannot prove someone has been vaccinated as the system currently exists. That ship has already sailed. Anyone can opt out by lying that they got vaccinated somewhere that doesn't keep public records. Those mandating vaccinations have have to accept this because vaccines aren't approved for more than 2 (or 3) shots, so you can't force people to get vaccinated again if they don't have a verifiable record. Even if there's a worldwide database rolled out, it's too late, too many people got vaccinated off the record. 2. You CAN prove you've had covid with a high degree of certainty. Recent tests have low false positive rates. Why let people slip out of the vaccine mandate with an easy lie yet corner those who have already had covid and therefore better immunity than the vaccinated? It's nonsense that ignores reality.
      - tragictrash 5y ago
        This is the only nonsense here. please stop spreading covid misinformation about natural immunity being stronger. https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-immunity-versus-vaccination https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-i...