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Oh, no! Not a perverse incentive!!? To avoid that, we should definitely sweep basic immunology under the rug and lump all those who've caught and recovered fro

Oh, no! Not a perverse incentive!!? To avoid that, we should definitely sweep basic immunology under the rug and lump all those who've caught and recovered from covid in with the other unvaccinated underclass. They should've thought twice about the ramifications of their actions before deciding catch and recover from covid. Thank god for these mandates. I can't image how society would function, if at all, if a perverse incentive were to exist. People would want to get sick. COVID parties. It'd be like the days before the vaccines when.. when... ... I forgot my point. Lock them all up.

m0zg 5y ago
And there are, according to the CDC over 160 _million_ of such people in the US: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd... Under the "man dates" all 160M are considered "unvaccinated", even though "science" shows their immunity is longer lasting than that derived from the vaccine, and a lot of them are currently being thrown out of their jobs.
- abathur 5y ago
  Some people who lack a driver license know how to drive and are quite capable of driving safely. A few of those, I'm almost certain, drive better than most people with a license. When you need a ride home from the airport, do you want a licensed driver, or an unlicensed one?
  - m0zg 5y ago
    It's a bad analogy. The current situation is akin to requiring that the _rider_ is a licensed driver or car will drive into a tree somehow.
    - abathur 5y ago
      I guess you'd take the unlicensed driver, then? Or maybe just ask if they're a good driver? The bureaucracy measures what it measures; if it was useless, you'd ignore it. It isn't perfect (it never is), but it's a simple measure.
- johnisgood 5y ago
  Exactly. Or... what about people who cannot get the vaccine for health reasons? Any news on that?
- mrtesthah 5y ago
  Then they’d need to prove that they were actually infected with covid and recovered. Most European countries have a “recovered” classification of their green pass — it’s not only for those vaccinated. However, it’s probably much easier and quicker simply to get vaccinated than to show evidence you were infected with covid in the past, especially after antibodies have waned.
  - m0zg 5y ago
    They don't need to "prove" shit. If you're vaccinated, you're not in danger of dying. Moreover, you will get COVID anyway eventually, with or without the vaccine. It's endemic, and it'll be with us forever.
- SamBam 5y ago
  > And there are, according to the CDC over 160 _million_ of such people in the US Your link says 120M. Not a big deal, but odd since you linked right to it. > Under the "man dates" all 160M are considered "unvaccinated", What? No, only the unvaccinated ones are considered unvaccinated. Are you suggesting that everyone who has been infected is unvaccinated? > a lot of them are currently being thrown out of their jobs. Actually, it looks like it's very few. [1][2] 1. Lots Of People Say They'll Quit Over Vaccine Mandates, But Research Shows Few Do. https://www.npr.org/2021/09/29/1041500566/vaccine-mandate-quit-research https://www.npr.org/2021/09/29/1041500566/vaccine-mandate-qu... 2. Only a fraction of U.S. health care workers are risking their jobs over vaccinations. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/07/science/covid-us-health-workers-vaccination.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/07/science/covid-us-health-w...
  - m0zg 5y ago
    NPR and NY Times [1] are not valid sources of news. They have discredited themselves again and again. As of yesterday they were pushing the narrative that Southwest Airlines is affected by "weather" that no other airline seems to be affected by, for example, while pilots on the ground are flying Gadston flags out of their cockpits and Southwest CEO was backpedaling and saying he's not a fan of "man dates". CDC says "1 in 4.2 (95% UI* 3.6 – 4.9) COVID–19 infections were reported". Your friendly coronavirus tracker says there were 45,431,167 confirmed cases in the United States. Simple arithmetic shows that there were, therefore, 45,431,167 * 4.2 = 190,810,901 total cases. 120M figure was computed months ago, when there were fewer confirmed cases, but the ratio still holds. Most people had it already. Moreover a lot of people had it _and_ had the vaccine as well. Kids and anyone healthy under 30 aren't at risk. Let's end this charade. Lest you think I'm an anti-vaxxer, no - I think people 40 years old and older should definitely get vaccinated and I'm vaccinated myself (I have comorbidities). But I also think this must be strictly personal choice, and you _can't_ collect enough safety data over just 9 months, especially if you vaccinate your control groups. [1] Just a few days ago: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10076925/NYT-reports-900-000-children-hospitalized-Covid-true-figure-63-000.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10076925/NYT-report...

m0zg 5y ago

And there are, according to the CDC over 160 _million_ of such people in the US: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd... Under the "man dates" all 160M are considered "unvaccinated", even though "science" shows their immunity is longer lasting than that derived from the vaccine, and a lot of them are currently being thrown out of their jobs.

abathur 5y ago
Some people who lack a driver license know how to drive and are quite capable of driving safely. A few of those, I'm almost certain, drive better than most people with a license. When you need a ride home from the airport, do you want a licensed driver, or an unlicensed one?
- m0zg 5y ago
  It's a bad analogy. The current situation is akin to requiring that the _rider_ is a licensed driver or car will drive into a tree somehow.
  - abathur 5y ago
    I guess you'd take the unlicensed driver, then? Or maybe just ask if they're a good driver? The bureaucracy measures what it measures; if it was useless, you'd ignore it. It isn't perfect (it never is), but it's a simple measure.
johnisgood 5y ago
Exactly. Or... what about people who cannot get the vaccine for health reasons? Any news on that?
mrtesthah 5y ago
Then they’d need to prove that they were actually infected with covid and recovered. Most European countries have a “recovered” classification of their green pass — it’s not only for those vaccinated. However, it’s probably much easier and quicker simply to get vaccinated than to show evidence you were infected with covid in the past, especially after antibodies have waned.
- m0zg 5y ago
  They don't need to "prove" shit. If you're vaccinated, you're not in danger of dying. Moreover, you will get COVID anyway eventually, with or without the vaccine. It's endemic, and it'll be with us forever.
SamBam 5y ago
> And there are, according to the CDC over 160 _million_ of such people in the US Your link says 120M. Not a big deal, but odd since you linked right to it. > Under the "man dates" all 160M are considered "unvaccinated", What? No, only the unvaccinated ones are considered unvaccinated. Are you suggesting that everyone who has been infected is unvaccinated? > a lot of them are currently being thrown out of their jobs. Actually, it looks like it's very few. [1][2] 1. Lots Of People Say They'll Quit Over Vaccine Mandates, But Research Shows Few Do. https://www.npr.org/2021/09/29/1041500566/vaccine-mandate-quit-research https://www.npr.org/2021/09/29/1041500566/vaccine-mandate-qu... 2. Only a fraction of U.S. health care workers are risking their jobs over vaccinations. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/07/science/covid-us-health-workers-vaccination.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/07/science/covid-us-health-w...
- m0zg 5y ago
  NPR and NY Times [1] are not valid sources of news. They have discredited themselves again and again. As of yesterday they were pushing the narrative that Southwest Airlines is affected by "weather" that no other airline seems to be affected by, for example, while pilots on the ground are flying Gadston flags out of their cockpits and Southwest CEO was backpedaling and saying he's not a fan of "man dates". CDC says "1 in 4.2 (95% UI* 3.6 – 4.9) COVID–19 infections were reported". Your friendly coronavirus tracker says there were 45,431,167 confirmed cases in the United States. Simple arithmetic shows that there were, therefore, 45,431,167 * 4.2 = 190,810,901 total cases. 120M figure was computed months ago, when there were fewer confirmed cases, but the ratio still holds. Most people had it already. Moreover a lot of people had it _and_ had the vaccine as well. Kids and anyone healthy under 30 aren't at risk. Let's end this charade. Lest you think I'm an anti-vaxxer, no - I think people 40 years old and older should definitely get vaccinated and I'm vaccinated myself (I have comorbidities). But I also think this must be strictly personal choice, and you _can't_ collect enough safety data over just 9 months, especially if you vaccinate your control groups. [1] Just a few days ago: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10076925/NYT-reports-900-000-children-hospitalized-Covid-true-figure-63-000.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10076925/NYT-report...