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Natural immunity for those who produce antibodies (I think I saw around 30% don't) probably -is- better than the vaccine, in terms of efficacy in preventing COV

Natural immunity for those who produce antibodies (I think I saw around 30% don't) probably -is- better than the vaccine, in terms of efficacy in preventing COVID again. However, this is a false dichotomy. First, because the same studies that show this ALSO show that getting vaccinated on top of natural immunity is better still ( https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v... ), second because natural immunity prior to the vaccine implies getting COVID and the extremely high risk of complications (from hospitalization, to long COVID symptoms, to death), and third, because there isn't any data around what happens if you get vaccinated first, then get COVID (i.e., is the combination of natural response + vaccine the same if the order is reversed). There is no situation where getting vaccinated does not help reduce the likelihood of catching COVID, or suffering serious symptoms.

colordrops 5y ago
> better still Not clear why this is an argument for vaccine mandates when natural immunity is already better than the vaccine alone, and puts individuals in the same or better place as the vaccine. > second because natural immunity prior to the vaccine implies getting COVID and the extremy high risk of complications What does this have to do with people who already had covid? > there isn't any data around what happens if you get vaccinated first, then get COVID Once again what does this have to do with people who already had covid? > There is no situation where getting vaccinated does not help reduce the likelihood of catching COVID, or suffering serious symptoms. If you are already in a state where you are at least as protected as vaccinated people, how is this an argument for mandate for those with natural immunity? You won't be able to find any data comparing mandates for those who have had COVID vs no mandate having any real effect on the general population because those who have already had it are very well protected. You can have had the j&j vaccine and be way less protected than natural immunity, and be considered compliant. This is absolutely inconsistent.
- chillwaves 5y ago
  Except one can't reasonably opt in to "natural immunity". Pretty major distinction. It is absurd to suggest that someone deliberately getting covid is a safer way to get immunity.
  - colordrops 5y ago
    It is absurd because I didnt say anything about deliberately getting covid.

colordrops 5y ago

> better still Not clear why this is an argument for vaccine mandates when natural immunity is already better than the vaccine alone, and puts individuals in the same or better place as the vaccine. > second because natural immunity prior to the vaccine implies getting COVID and the extremy high risk of complications What does this have to do with people who already had covid? > there isn't any data around what happens if you get vaccinated first, then get COVID Once again what does this have to do with people who already had covid? > There is no situation where getting vaccinated does not help reduce the likelihood of catching COVID, or suffering serious symptoms. If you are already in a state where you are at least as protected as vaccinated people, how is this an argument for mandate for those with natural immunity? You won't be able to find any data comparing mandates for those who have had COVID vs no mandate having any real effect on the general population because those who have already had it are very well protected. You can have had the j&j vaccine and be way less protected than natural immunity, and be considered compliant. This is absolutely inconsistent.

chillwaves 5y ago
Except one can't reasonably opt in to "natural immunity". Pretty major distinction. It is absurd to suggest that someone deliberately getting covid is a safer way to get immunity.
- colordrops 5y ago
  It is absurd because I didnt say anything about deliberately getting covid.