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I would count myself part of this statistic and I imagine there are quite of few folks here that would agree with me. I left for SF to help further advance my

I would count myself part of this statistic and I imagine there are quite of few folks here that would agree with me. I left for SF to help further advance my career and I am incredibly thankful for the city and its people for getting me from a lowly help desk to now a systems engineer (making way towards SRE soon). The city, however, is still incredibly hostile to new people who haven't bought a house or found generational success and I can't ever see myself raising a family in this area (even though I would love to). Public transportation is still terrible (needles, human feces, etc) and the police/lawmakers have declared their intent to never enforce laws. How often do you see people jumping over the turnstiles in the BART stations?

donw 5y ago
> police/lawmakers have declared their intent to never enforce laws. My understanding is that the lawmakers alone (legislature and governor) own this one. Big city police chiefs might be along for the ride because they're purely political appointees that serve at the pleasure of their masters. Outside of that, the "only respond to life-threatening crime" policy isn't popular.
- _fat_santa 5y ago
  > My understanding is that the lawmakers alone (legislature and governor) own this one. Why aren't they doing anything about it? Serious question, I'm not familiar with politics in CA and the Bay Area but every time I hear about how bad it's getting in SF I have to wonder why no one seems to want to do anything about it, and worse creating policy that makes the situation worse. SF isn't run by dummies (idk maybe). Why does it seem like they are sitting on the sidelines watching their city go to absolute shit.
  - FormerBandmate 5y ago
    They ideologically are opposed to doing anything about it. The left has gone completely off the rails over the past ten years on social issues, it just gets ignored because the right has gone off the rails more
  - mc32 5y ago
    You know how war hawks and neo-cons's answer to foreign politics they don't like is throw war at it? Well, in SF, the answer to social ills is more compassion -always. Oh, people are sitting/squatting and begging in front of doors, let's not enforce loitering ordinances (poor old Ross had to pass a new law specifically to address this scourge in the Haight. Oh, people are shitting on the street? Oh, we must be doing something wrong, we'll not enforce any sanitary or defecating in public laws, that will surely alleviate the situation (look, Tokyo has very few public toilets yet their homeless don't shit on the streets). Also, SF projects and wants to solve the issues that plague the rest of the country (or sometimes the world). Oh, the police in Podunk Alabama beat people up 100% of the time? Gosh, we better make sure the cops will never have that chance to make that a problem in SF. City government in Podunk Oregon has discriminated against amputees? Well, gosh darn it we'll make sure we never do that in SF and to prove it we will only hire amputees going forward!
    - donw 5y ago
      Ping me if you don't mind. :)
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JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> city, however, is still incredibly hostile to new people who haven't bought a house or found generational success It’s also quite hostile to those who have. The only people it coddles, paradoxically, are those who inherited property rights.

donw 5y ago

> police/lawmakers have declared their intent to never enforce laws. My understanding is that the lawmakers alone (legislature and governor) own this one. Big city police chiefs might be along for the ride because they're purely political appointees that serve at the pleasure of their masters. Outside of that, the "only respond to life-threatening crime" policy isn't popular.

_fat_santa 5y ago
> My understanding is that the lawmakers alone (legislature and governor) own this one. Why aren't they doing anything about it? Serious question, I'm not familiar with politics in CA and the Bay Area but every time I hear about how bad it's getting in SF I have to wonder why no one seems to want to do anything about it, and worse creating policy that makes the situation worse. SF isn't run by dummies (idk maybe). Why does it seem like they are sitting on the sidelines watching their city go to absolute shit.
- FormerBandmate 5y ago
  They ideologically are opposed to doing anything about it. The left has gone completely off the rails over the past ten years on social issues, it just gets ignored because the right has gone off the rails more
- mc32 5y ago
  You know how war hawks and neo-cons's answer to foreign politics they don't like is throw war at it? Well, in SF, the answer to social ills is more compassion -always. Oh, people are sitting/squatting and begging in front of doors, let's not enforce loitering ordinances (poor old Ross had to pass a new law specifically to address this scourge in the Haight. Oh, people are shitting on the street? Oh, we must be doing something wrong, we'll not enforce any sanitary or defecating in public laws, that will surely alleviate the situation (look, Tokyo has very few public toilets yet their homeless don't shit on the streets). Also, SF projects and wants to solve the issues that plague the rest of the country (or sometimes the world). Oh, the police in Podunk Alabama beat people up 100% of the time? Gosh, we better make sure the cops will never have that chance to make that a problem in SF. City government in Podunk Oregon has discriminated against amputees? Well, gosh darn it we'll make sure we never do that in SF and to prove it we will only hire amputees going forward!
  - donw 5y ago
    Ping me if you don't mind. :)
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JumpCrisscross 5y ago

> city, however, is still incredibly hostile to new people who haven't bought a house or found generational success It’s also quite hostile to those who have. The only people it coddles, paradoxically, are those who inherited property rights.