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The fact that to this day people still trot out “4% kill rate” and make their kids wear a mask for a disease a kid isn’t even remotely at risk for… my trust in

The fact that to this day people still trot out “4% kill rate” and make their kids wear a mask for a disease a kid isn’t even remotely at risk for… my trust in public health is below zero. Not once have these people done anything to calm people or tell them good news. Not a single time. It is disgusting how horribly these public health “experts” treat us.

detaro 5y ago
> people still trot out “4% kill rate” Which health authority or public health expert is claiming that today and hasn't shared updates with better data (=good news)? Yes, some people still bring that, but that's not because evil experts hide the true data from them.
- Covzire 5y ago
  I think you discount the idea of "evil experts" too quickly. The day Joe Biden took over the presidency, CNN stopped listing death counts for COVID. The deaths increased in 2021 precipitously, had it been Trump you know they would have probably used bigger fonts, colors etc to drive the narrative. There are evil people and some of them are in control of various parts of the narrative and they use that control for their own ends.
  - concordDance 5y ago
    The problem here is treating partisan news sites as experts.
- spookthesunset 5y ago
  The “experts” don’t say “4%” but they also don’t even bother to give an actual IFR. Why haven’t they? We’ve known it for quite some time.
  - detaro 5y ago
    Media reports about updated risk estimates are easy to find? I guess it's not so much one catchy number anymore and instead goes in more detail regarding age/risk groups, but that's a good thing given how vague an average number is over such a large span? And I'd argue easier to understand what it means than the average number. I guess you can always argue "but it's not properly explained and people don't understand it!!!", but so much information people keep claiming is hidden is just there and repeated in news reports once you read past the headlines. And at some point people need to deal with the fact that data is messy and not all numbers agree or mean the same thing and that that has reasons. I feel that goes back to the title of the submission here.
  - whimsicalism 5y ago
    > IFR. Why haven’t they? We’ve known it for quite some time. Well, it's not constant. Vaccination rates have a big impact. And honestly, what "experts" are you even talking about? Of course the numbers are out there.
rc2634 5y ago
They keep yelling “follow the science” while completely ignoring or ridiculing science that goes against their pro-mask, pro-lockdown, pro-vaccination narrative.
- concordDance 5y ago
  "They" is mostly people on social media and partisan news orgs. Not health institutions or scientists.
- spookthesunset 5y ago
  There is a pretty popular Christmas event where they put lights around the zoo… All visitors must show proof of vaccination and must wear a mask. Outdoors. In an attendance limited event. And people wonder why nobody takes this stuff seriously. Because not a bit of it makes sense.
- forgotmyoldname 5y ago
  There's science proving that covering your mouth to prevent spread of germs and getting vaccinated doesn't work? That's a bold claim. I'd like to see your science. Signed, person living in a country with almost no ongoing infections and with a high vaccination and mask-wearing rate.

detaro 5y ago

> people still trot out “4% kill rate” Which health authority or public health expert is claiming that today and hasn't shared updates with better data (=good news)? Yes, some people still bring that, but that's not because evil experts hide the true data from them.

Covzire 5y ago
I think you discount the idea of "evil experts" too quickly. The day Joe Biden took over the presidency, CNN stopped listing death counts for COVID. The deaths increased in 2021 precipitously, had it been Trump you know they would have probably used bigger fonts, colors etc to drive the narrative. There are evil people and some of them are in control of various parts of the narrative and they use that control for their own ends.
- concordDance 5y ago
  The problem here is treating partisan news sites as experts.
spookthesunset 5y ago
The “experts” don’t say “4%” but they also don’t even bother to give an actual IFR. Why haven’t they? We’ve known it for quite some time.
- detaro 5y ago
  Media reports about updated risk estimates are easy to find? I guess it's not so much one catchy number anymore and instead goes in more detail regarding age/risk groups, but that's a good thing given how vague an average number is over such a large span? And I'd argue easier to understand what it means than the average number. I guess you can always argue "but it's not properly explained and people don't understand it!!!", but so much information people keep claiming is hidden is just there and repeated in news reports once you read past the headlines. And at some point people need to deal with the fact that data is messy and not all numbers agree or mean the same thing and that that has reasons. I feel that goes back to the title of the submission here.
- whimsicalism 5y ago
  > IFR. Why haven’t they? We’ve known it for quite some time. Well, it's not constant. Vaccination rates have a big impact. And honestly, what "experts" are you even talking about? Of course the numbers are out there.

rc2634 5y ago

They keep yelling “follow the science” while completely ignoring or ridiculing science that goes against their pro-mask, pro-lockdown, pro-vaccination narrative.

concordDance 5y ago
"They" is mostly people on social media and partisan news orgs. Not health institutions or scientists.
spookthesunset 5y ago
There is a pretty popular Christmas event where they put lights around the zoo… All visitors must show proof of vaccination and must wear a mask. Outdoors. In an attendance limited event. And people wonder why nobody takes this stuff seriously. Because not a bit of it makes sense.
forgotmyoldname 5y ago
There's science proving that covering your mouth to prevent spread of germs and getting vaccinated doesn't work? That's a bold claim. I'd like to see your science. Signed, person living in a country with almost no ongoing infections and with a high vaccination and mask-wearing rate.