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I don't see it as moral relativism. We're talking about an individual making their own health choice. Not to mention, the "safe" and "effective" vaccines, acc

I don't see it as moral relativism. We're talking about an individual making their own health choice. Not to mention, the "safe" and "effective" vaccines, according to all available data, are nothing like what they were advertised as. Hell, the President of the USA came out and said you won't get covid if you get the vaccine. And no journalist is calling him out on this obvious lie. Given that environment, it seems strange to have any vitriol to those who aren't submitting to the new biosecurity state.

whimsicalism 5y ago
> We're talking about an individual making their own health choice. And businesses making their own employment choices. > new biosecurity state. Vaccine mandates are nothing new - I was required to get vaccinated to go to my public school. > I don't see it as moral relativism. You literally said the "best" choice is relative. Your entire stance is deeply relativistic at its core. > And no journalist is calling him out on this obvious lie. I don't see the relevance of what Biden says to my point at all, seems like a jump in logic. And: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/22/joe-biden/biden-exaggerates-efficacy-covid-19-vaccines/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/22/joe-biden/...
- lolsal 5y ago
  > And businesses making their own employment choices. Does this include a federal government vaccine mandate? > Vaccine mandates are nothing new - I was required to get vaccinated to go to my public school. An appeal to tradition/authority doesn't make it any more tenable. The anti-mandate position is precisely (at least in part) that they should have autonomy over their own body. > You literally said the "best" choice is relative. Your entire stance is deeply relativistic at its core. You're having a discussion with two different people. The comment you're responding to was not me. We are making different points.
- sjwalter 5y ago
  Comparing the MMR requirement for public school to taking experimental vaccines with vastly worse safety profile being a requirement to engage meaningfully in public life at all is a gigantic stretch. I don't know why people deceive themselves that these are similar in any way.

whimsicalism 5y ago

> We're talking about an individual making their own health choice. And businesses making their own employment choices. > new biosecurity state. Vaccine mandates are nothing new - I was required to get vaccinated to go to my public school. > I don't see it as moral relativism. You literally said the "best" choice is relative. Your entire stance is deeply relativistic at its core. > And no journalist is calling him out on this obvious lie. I don't see the relevance of what Biden says to my point at all, seems like a jump in logic. And: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/22/joe-biden/biden-exaggerates-efficacy-covid-19-vaccines/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/22/joe-biden/...

lolsal 5y ago
> And businesses making their own employment choices. Does this include a federal government vaccine mandate? > Vaccine mandates are nothing new - I was required to get vaccinated to go to my public school. An appeal to tradition/authority doesn't make it any more tenable. The anti-mandate position is precisely (at least in part) that they should have autonomy over their own body. > You literally said the "best" choice is relative. Your entire stance is deeply relativistic at its core. You're having a discussion with two different people. The comment you're responding to was not me. We are making different points.
sjwalter 5y ago
Comparing the MMR requirement for public school to taking experimental vaccines with vastly worse safety profile being a requirement to engage meaningfully in public life at all is a gigantic stretch. I don't know why people deceive themselves that these are similar in any way.