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No Antifa? Why, of course not. What's a few dead people and billions of dollars in damage between friends.

by m0zg 5y ago

amirkdv 5y ago
Do you really think Facebook has a soft spot for Antifa? (whatever that amorphous "organization" is) Tip: there's a toggle on the page where you can get the raw text of the document, then use ctrl+f.
tomjakubowski 5y ago
You obviously did not bother to read the list, which includes several Antifa groups. (as well as some calling themselves Anti-Antifa)
- cwkoss 5y ago
  Yep, I found the local leftist milita (they have antifa ideology but don't name the group antifa) on the list.
woodruffw 5y ago
The FBI and DHS, two agencies whose relationships with America's left have never been described as "friendly," have consistently determined that antifascists are neither organized as a movement[1] nor a serious violent threat to the United States[2]. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/us/antifa-protests-george-floyd.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/us/antifa-protests-george... [2]: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-terror-threat-dhs-409236 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-...
- hasdf 5y ago
  oh come on the FBI is absurdly left wing and political right now
  - woodruffw 5y ago
    Far be it from me to defend the FBI, but it's actually probably the least political it has ever been in its sordid history. The FBI was explicitly aligned with far-right American politics for the better part of 50 years[1], and has only (publicly) cleaned up its act with respect to that in the last 25. The idea that the FBI is "left wing" is impossible to entertain seriously. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover
- m0zg 5y ago
  Same FBI that's about to start arresting "terrorist" parents for having the temerity to speak at school board meetings? That FBI? https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/575658-fbi-should-be-wary-of-attorney-generals-directive-on-school-board-threats https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/575658-fbi-shou... https://www.newsweek.com/concerned-about-your-childs-school-you-might-domestic-terrorist-opinion-1635751 https://www.newsweek.com/concerned-about-your-childs-school-... Don't rely so heavily on "fact checks" - their sole raison d'etre is to provide ammo to the "official" narrative peddlers nowadays. Read the original letter.
  - woodruffw 5y ago
    I genuinely don't know what you're referring to. You should probably provide links. Edit: All of the recent FBI stories I can find are about a manhunt for a (presumed) murderer or about the nuclear espionage case. Edit 2: This is the only reference I was able to find[1]. It sounds like the current governor of Florida falsely claimed that the FBI is "going after" parents. It's not clear what "going after" means, or where that came from. [1]: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/11/rick-scott/rick-scott-wrongly-warns-fbi-coming-after-loud-par/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/11/rick-scott...
  - woodruffw 5y ago
    For what it's worth, it's considered bad etiquette to substantively edit your comments without marking that you've done so. In this case, the original post consisted entirely of: > Same FBI that's about to start arresting "terrorist" parents for having the temerity to speak at school board meetings? That FBI? As for the new links: they're both opinion pieces, both of which are (vague) handwringing that don't support the more outrageous claim being made (that the FBI is about to "start arresting [...] parents"). The closest thing I can find to actual reporting on this says that Garland (who's DoJ, not FBI) wrote an advisory memo[1]. The memo itself is a broad announcement to multiple federal agencies notifying them to coordinate with local agencies in cases of harassment against educators. Not exactly shocking stuff. [1]: https://www.justice.gov/ag/page/file/1438986/download https://www.justice.gov/ag/page/file/1438986/download
- ravenstine 5y ago
  Both the FBI and DHS ought to be on the terror list themselves.
  - woodruffw 5y ago
    No particular disagreement here!
alanlammiman 5y ago
there actually are a couple of antifa groups on there

No Antifa? Why, of course not. What's a few dead people and billions of dollars in damage between friends.

by m0zg 5y ago

No Antifa? Why, of course not. What's a few dead people and billions of dollars in damage between friends.

Do you really think Facebook has a soft spot for Antifa? (whatever that amorphous "organization" is) Tip: there's a toggle on the page where you can get the raw text of the document, then use ctrl+f.

tomjakubowski 5y ago

You obviously did not bother to read the list, which includes several Antifa groups. (as well as some calling themselves Anti-Antifa)

cwkoss 5y ago
Yep, I found the local leftist milita (they have antifa ideology but don't name the group antifa) on the list.

woodruffw 5y ago

The FBI and DHS, two agencies whose relationships with America's left have never been described as "friendly," have consistently determined that antifascists are neither organized as a movement[1] nor a serious violent threat to the United States[2]. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/us/antifa-protests-george-floyd.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/us/antifa-protests-george... [2]: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-terror-threat-dhs-409236 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-...

hasdf 5y ago
oh come on the FBI is absurdly left wing and political right now
- woodruffw 5y ago
  Far be it from me to defend the FBI, but it's actually probably the least political it has ever been in its sordid history. The FBI was explicitly aligned with far-right American politics for the better part of 50 years[1], and has only (publicly) cleaned up its act with respect to that in the last 25. The idea that the FBI is "left wing" is impossible to entertain seriously. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover
m0zg 5y ago
Same FBI that's about to start arresting "terrorist" parents for having the temerity to speak at school board meetings? That FBI? https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/575658-fbi-should-be-wary-of-attorney-generals-directive-on-school-board-threats https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/575658-fbi-shou... https://www.newsweek.com/concerned-about-your-childs-school-you-might-domestic-terrorist-opinion-1635751 https://www.newsweek.com/concerned-about-your-childs-school-... Don't rely so heavily on "fact checks" - their sole raison d'etre is to provide ammo to the "official" narrative peddlers nowadays. Read the original letter.
- woodruffw 5y ago
  I genuinely don't know what you're referring to. You should probably provide links. Edit: All of the recent FBI stories I can find are about a manhunt for a (presumed) murderer or about the nuclear espionage case. Edit 2: This is the only reference I was able to find[1]. It sounds like the current governor of Florida falsely claimed that the FBI is "going after" parents. It's not clear what "going after" means, or where that came from. [1]: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/11/rick-scott/rick-scott-wrongly-warns-fbi-coming-after-loud-par/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/11/rick-scott...
- woodruffw 5y ago
  For what it's worth, it's considered bad etiquette to substantively edit your comments without marking that you've done so. In this case, the original post consisted entirely of: > Same FBI that's about to start arresting "terrorist" parents for having the temerity to speak at school board meetings? That FBI? As for the new links: they're both opinion pieces, both of which are (vague) handwringing that don't support the more outrageous claim being made (that the FBI is about to "start arresting [...] parents"). The closest thing I can find to actual reporting on this says that Garland (who's DoJ, not FBI) wrote an advisory memo[1]. The memo itself is a broad announcement to multiple federal agencies notifying them to coordinate with local agencies in cases of harassment against educators. Not exactly shocking stuff. [1]: https://www.justice.gov/ag/page/file/1438986/download https://www.justice.gov/ag/page/file/1438986/download
ravenstine 5y ago
Both the FBI and DHS ought to be on the terror list themselves.
- woodruffw 5y ago
  No particular disagreement here!

alanlammiman 5y ago

there actually are a couple of antifa groups on there