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Even if some physical/scientific solution was discovered, still remaining is the issue of politician and public (voting, lifestyle) support, much like we see wi

Even if some physical/scientific solution was discovered, still remaining is the issue of politician and public (voting, lifestyle) support, much like we see with vaccines. Running a study of that in parallel with scientific studies seems like the logical thing to do, yet another lesson we didn't learn from covid I guess.

agumonkey 5y ago
What about engineering social attractors so that people just move away from their habits and start doing things differently ? availability, social mirroring can be leveraged to migrate people from one lifestyle to another, without relying on policies. After all marketing is all about making the masses move a certain way..
- mistermann 5y ago
  That sounds like an excellent start to me, what other techniques might be out there though? If we never look (as advertisers have done with marketing products in order to accomplish their goal: make people buy their products), we may never know.
- psiconaut 5y ago
  Sounds good. Sadly, there's this thing called "hyper-stimulus" - someone mentioned recently "Infinite Jest" and the desire to watch a particular video over and over again. I do think the fear of this thought played a deep role in DFW's desperation. All this to say: some social attractors are way more attractive than others (that's why they are "dark" patterns). Only physical constrains will do the trick, I'm afraid.
  - agumonkey 5y ago
    The idea is that society is most assured to go into a wall, so constraints are about to pop up more and more, so starting to place items / buffers here and there, ready to receive newly "convinced" people could prove beneficial. People are followers, I firmly believe that the minute another model of society pops up, population will flip "overnight". Also about your stimulus issue.. I also firmly believe that non modern life creates a stronger deeper and stabler set of stimuli. We just forgot.

agumonkey 5y ago

What about engineering social attractors so that people just move away from their habits and start doing things differently ? availability, social mirroring can be leveraged to migrate people from one lifestyle to another, without relying on policies. After all marketing is all about making the masses move a certain way..

mistermann 5y ago
That sounds like an excellent start to me, what other techniques might be out there though? If we never look (as advertisers have done with marketing products in order to accomplish their goal: make people buy their products), we may never know.
psiconaut 5y ago
Sounds good. Sadly, there's this thing called "hyper-stimulus" - someone mentioned recently "Infinite Jest" and the desire to watch a particular video over and over again. I do think the fear of this thought played a deep role in DFW's desperation. All this to say: some social attractors are way more attractive than others (that's why they are "dark" patterns). Only physical constrains will do the trick, I'm afraid.
- agumonkey 5y ago
  The idea is that society is most assured to go into a wall, so constraints are about to pop up more and more, so starting to place items / buffers here and there, ready to receive newly "convinced" people could prove beneficial. People are followers, I firmly believe that the minute another model of society pops up, population will flip "overnight". Also about your stimulus issue.. I also firmly believe that non modern life creates a stronger deeper and stabler set of stimuli. We just forgot.