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Likely matches what the respective countries or organizations there put pressure on Facebook for, or which pose a legal problem for Facebook there. E.g. lots of

by detaro 5y ago

Likely matches what the respective countries or organizations there put pressure on Facebook for, or which pose a legal problem for Facebook there. E.g. lots of German neonazi stuff in the hate category.

throwawayboise 5y ago
Nazism is illegal in Germany. Militias are constitutionally protected in the USA, so there's not really a legal argument for all of those to be included.
- detaro 5y ago
  you'll note that legal arguments are only one of the things I listed. (And as far as I understand, the situation around private militias is far less legally obvious than you state it, and I don't think any of the militias of the states is listed)
- nl 5y ago
  > Militias are constitutionally protected in the USA Not private militias! In-fact, they are banned by all 50 states: https://www.npr.org/2020/08/30/907720068/are-citizen-militias-legal https://www.npr.org/2020/08/30/907720068/are-citizen-militia...
Jon_Lowtek 5y ago
germany has a law called "social network enforcement act" which requires big social media networks to have a german speaking team that enforces national laws and effectively handles complaints. And germany has outlawed national-socialist ideology for obvious reasons. I am honestly surprised that style of enforcement isn't more common internationally. (edit: got a detail wrong: the team does not need to physically be in germany, but facebooks is)
- chuckee 5y ago
  I don't know if you're aware, but that law (known as NetzDG: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Enforcement_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Enforcement_Act) does a lot more than what you described. It requires social networks to delete "obviously illegal" posts within 24 hours of receiving a complaint, or face a €5 million fine per offense. What social network will risk such a fine to keep a single post? > I am honestly surprised that style of enforcement isn't more common internationally. Probably because the NetzDG considered incompatible with both the German constitution and the European Convention of Human Rights (but the European Commission illegally does not allow access to their legal assessment regarding that law), and is opposed by many human rights groups, including Reporters Without Borders and the UN Special Rapporteur on Freedom of Opinion and Expression.
  - Jon_Lowtek 5y ago
    It also includes regular performance reports, which are likely evaluated by the government, but are mostly for self-auditing. Leaks like the recent "FB knew and didn't care at scale" are €5M fine offenses. Neglect to delete individual posts however are not. oh i am not at all in favor of that law! I am just wondering that this style of pressuring FB to have a team of censors trained in regional language and law (else 5M fine!) isn't more common. I kind of expect Hungary, Turkey, Russia and the Saudis among many others to demand that as well and file long lists of censorship topics, but they are underrepresented on the list we see here. At least Russia and Turkey are currently fining Facebook for non-compliance.
- detaro 5y ago
  Yes, although for that a list such as this is merely a helper - e.g. it's not like any mention of or even praise for e.g. the neonazi bands is illegal. NetzDG is an incredibly crude, bad law, because it basically forces sites to be overly cautious, is even harder to comply with for small sites, ... - not really what we want, even if you generally think Facebook should ban such things. (And Twitter and Facebook have also gotten in trouble with German courts for "unfair" banning at the same time)

by detaro 5y ago

throwawayboise 5y ago

Nazism is illegal in Germany. Militias are constitutionally protected in the USA, so there's not really a legal argument for all of those to be included.

detaro 5y ago
you'll note that legal arguments are only one of the things I listed. (And as far as I understand, the situation around private militias is far less legally obvious than you state it, and I don't think any of the militias of the states is listed)
nl 5y ago
> Militias are constitutionally protected in the USA Not private militias! In-fact, they are banned by all 50 states: https://www.npr.org/2020/08/30/907720068/are-citizen-militias-legal https://www.npr.org/2020/08/30/907720068/are-citizen-militia...

Jon_Lowtek 5y ago

germany has a law called "social network enforcement act" which requires big social media networks to have a german speaking team that enforces national laws and effectively handles complaints. And germany has outlawed national-socialist ideology for obvious reasons. I am honestly surprised that style of enforcement isn't more common internationally. (edit: got a detail wrong: the team does not need to physically be in germany, but facebooks is)

chuckee 5y ago
I don't know if you're aware, but that law (known as NetzDG: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Enforcement_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Enforcement_Act) does a lot more than what you described. It requires social networks to delete "obviously illegal" posts within 24 hours of receiving a complaint, or face a €5 million fine per offense. What social network will risk such a fine to keep a single post? > I am honestly surprised that style of enforcement isn't more common internationally. Probably because the NetzDG considered incompatible with both the German constitution and the European Convention of Human Rights (but the European Commission illegally does not allow access to their legal assessment regarding that law), and is opposed by many human rights groups, including Reporters Without Borders and the UN Special Rapporteur on Freedom of Opinion and Expression.
- Jon_Lowtek 5y ago
  It also includes regular performance reports, which are likely evaluated by the government, but are mostly for self-auditing. Leaks like the recent "FB knew and didn't care at scale" are €5M fine offenses. Neglect to delete individual posts however are not. oh i am not at all in favor of that law! I am just wondering that this style of pressuring FB to have a team of censors trained in regional language and law (else 5M fine!) isn't more common. I kind of expect Hungary, Turkey, Russia and the Saudis among many others to demand that as well and file long lists of censorship topics, but they are underrepresented on the list we see here. At least Russia and Turkey are currently fining Facebook for non-compliance.
detaro 5y ago
Yes, although for that a list such as this is merely a helper - e.g. it's not like any mention of or even praise for e.g. the neonazi bands is illegal. NetzDG is an incredibly crude, bad law, because it basically forces sites to be overly cautious, is even harder to comply with for small sites, ... - not really what we want, even if you generally think Facebook should ban such things. (And Twitter and Facebook have also gotten in trouble with German courts for "unfair" banning at the same time)