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Huh. There's a lot bands in the "Hate" section. Looking up the various names I'm finding various death metal and black metal bands. I can't help but wonder how

Huh. There's a lot bands in the "Hate" section. Looking up the various names I'm finding various death metal and black metal bands. I can't help but wonder how many of those bands on are on that list because someone at Facebook took heavy metal imagery and lyrical themes too seriously and literally. More Edit: Turns out I picked a bad example. I missed reference to a name collision with an actual National Socialist band using the original name. The original edit is below. Edit: Figured I should support my thesis with an example. Let us take the band Sturmtruppen, from the Hate section of the linked article. From Encyclopaedia Metallum[1][2], they are a Black/Death metal band with themes of war and genocide. Per and interview referenced on their Encyclopedia Metallum page, their choice of those themes is not to glorify them, but to have something evil sounding enough to fit the style of music. I am not saying that all the listed bands don't belong there. I know that actual neo nazi bands that take their imagery and themes seriously are a real thing that exist. But I do suspect at least some bands are on that list because of imagery and lyrical themes alone. 1. https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sturmtruppen/12143 https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sturmtruppen/12143 2. https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Truppensturm/98034 https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Truppensturm/98034

psyc 5y ago
It’s not that. They’re pretty clearly white supremacist / neonazi metal bands, and that’s definitely a thing.
- jazzyjackson 5y ago
  Poe’s law applies, impossible to tell who is parody and who is genuine without being familiar with the source.
  - dymk 5y ago
    If you can't tell without being familiar with the source (aka almost everybody else), it doesn't really matter if white supremacist material is ironic/parody/joking or not
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tallies 5y ago
From your first link, it says that that band changed their name because of a NS band with the same name. NS meaning National Socialist...
thriftwy 5y ago
This list is a close reminder of another famous list (of musical bands banned in the USSR) https://s.fishki.net/upload/users/2020/02/17/907382/b7325f11dea131aa2388457967404355.jpg https://s.fishki.net/upload/users/2020/02/17/907382/b7325f11... The given reasons are exactly the same: violence, hate, religious extremism. Facebook is the new Soviet State of Workers and Peasants.
- lovecg 5y ago
  Which band do you think should not be on the list?
  - thriftwy 5y ago
    None?
aasasd 5y ago
There's an entire microgenre of ‘national socialist black metal’.
throwaway8582 5y ago
The "hate" section is about political censorship. It's full of people Facebook doesn't like, but can't throw under "crime" or "terror" because they aren't actually dangerous. Notice how the only groups in there are pro-white or white nationalist groups? Not to defend these groups, but by deciding to vilify these people while ignoring all other forms of racial and ethnic pride/nationalism/hatred, Facebook is sending a clear message that they favor some groups over others.
- undoware 5y ago
  ..or it's sending a clear message that white nationalist groups tend to be violent and militarized? The very fact that this issue presents itself to you as anything other than a damning report on the state of the union is itself telling. Perhaps instead, think of it this way: *even Facebook*, whose Zuck repeatedly dined with the architect of Jan 6, clocks this country as having a white-nationalists-with-guns problem. Like.
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joshuamorton 5y ago
Without exception, every band I looked at either had obvious nazi or white supremacist references in the name, or a cursory search found it to be related to Nazi or Christian Identity groups. A bunch of them are German so there's less easily accessible information, but still, they're basically all nazi metal bands, not just metal bands. Edit: moving my other comment into this one, as others have mentioned, the band you linked changed their name because another band with the same name was a Nazi metal band. Perhaps that's why only the name shared with a Nazi band is on the list. (that other band presumably being https://www.discogs.com/artist/1917747-Sturmtruppen https://www.discogs.com/artist/1917747-Sturmtruppen)
Natsu 5y ago
Hard to say, but there's a history of the bands themselves taking themselves that seriously, e.g. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Norwegian_black_metal_scene https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Norwegian_black_metal_sc...
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cunidev 5y ago
To be fair, all bands I knew of listed there were indeed done with serious NS ideology. Even the most famous and "mainstream" Burzum runs a YouTube channel that expresses white supremacy ideas and racist weirdness. Overall, the list appears reasonable to me and no (to me known) member is particularly surprising.
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detaro 5y ago
Given that your first link says they changed their name because of a naming conflict with a known Nazi band, don't you think that maybe that other band is the one banned? And yes, that one is quite clearly a neonazi band. EDIT: and at least the few names I recognize on that list also fall under that label.
klodolph 5y ago
You’ve made an error. There are multiple bands with the name “Sturmtruppen”. One is from Switzerland, formed in 1988. That is the one in the list. You have confused it with the German band from 1996, which changed its name to avoid confusion with the other band. https://www.discogs.com/artist/1917747-Sturmtruppen https://www.discogs.com/artist/1917747-Sturmtruppen It has a Wikipedia page: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmtruppen_Skinheads https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmtruppen_Skinheads > In Deutschland wurde es wegen seiner überwiegend ausländerfeindlichen Texte von der Bundesprüfstelle für jugendgefährdende Medien indiziert. > Mehrere Mitglieder der Band waren in der Nationalistischen Jugend Schweiz organisiert.
- korethr 5y ago
  Indeed I have. I have edited my post to reflect that.
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psyc 5y ago

It’s not that. They’re pretty clearly white supremacist / neonazi metal bands, and that’s definitely a thing.

jazzyjackson 5y ago
Poe’s law applies, impossible to tell who is parody and who is genuine without being familiar with the source.
- dymk 5y ago
  If you can't tell without being familiar with the source (aka almost everybody else), it doesn't really matter if white supremacist material is ironic/parody/joking or not
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tallies 5y ago

From your first link, it says that that band changed their name because of a NS band with the same name. NS meaning National Socialist...

thriftwy 5y ago

This list is a close reminder of another famous list (of musical bands banned in the USSR) https://s.fishki.net/upload/users/2020/02/17/907382/b7325f11dea131aa2388457967404355.jpg https://s.fishki.net/upload/users/2020/02/17/907382/b7325f11... The given reasons are exactly the same: violence, hate, religious extremism. Facebook is the new Soviet State of Workers and Peasants.

lovecg 5y ago
Which band do you think should not be on the list?
- thriftwy 5y ago
  None?

aasasd 5y ago

There's an entire microgenre of ‘national socialist black metal’.

throwaway8582 5y ago

The "hate" section is about political censorship. It's full of people Facebook doesn't like, but can't throw under "crime" or "terror" because they aren't actually dangerous. Notice how the only groups in there are pro-white or white nationalist groups? Not to defend these groups, but by deciding to vilify these people while ignoring all other forms of racial and ethnic pride/nationalism/hatred, Facebook is sending a clear message that they favor some groups over others.

undoware 5y ago
..or it's sending a clear message that white nationalist groups tend to be violent and militarized? The very fact that this issue presents itself to you as anything other than a damning report on the state of the union is itself telling. Perhaps instead, think of it this way: *even Facebook*, whose Zuck repeatedly dined with the architect of Jan 6, clocks this country as having a white-nationalists-with-guns problem. Like.
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joshuamorton 5y ago

Without exception, every band I looked at either had obvious nazi or white supremacist references in the name, or a cursory search found it to be related to Nazi or Christian Identity groups. A bunch of them are German so there's less easily accessible information, but still, they're basically all nazi metal bands, not just metal bands. Edit: moving my other comment into this one, as others have mentioned, the band you linked changed their name because another band with the same name was a Nazi metal band. Perhaps that's why only the name shared with a Nazi band is on the list. (that other band presumably being https://www.discogs.com/artist/1917747-Sturmtruppen https://www.discogs.com/artist/1917747-Sturmtruppen)

Natsu 5y ago

Hard to say, but there's a history of the bands themselves taking themselves that seriously, e.g. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Norwegian_black_metal_scene https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Norwegian_black_metal_sc...

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cunidev 5y ago

To be fair, all bands I knew of listed there were indeed done with serious NS ideology. Even the most famous and "mainstream" Burzum runs a YouTube channel that expresses white supremacy ideas and racist weirdness. Overall, the list appears reasonable to me and no (to me known) member is particularly surprising.

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detaro 5y ago

Given that your first link says they changed their name because of a naming conflict with a known Nazi band, don't you think that maybe that other band is the one banned? And yes, that one is quite clearly a neonazi band. EDIT: and at least the few names I recognize on that list also fall under that label.

klodolph 5y ago

You’ve made an error. There are multiple bands with the name “Sturmtruppen”. One is from Switzerland, formed in 1988. That is the one in the list. You have confused it with the German band from 1996, which changed its name to avoid confusion with the other band. https://www.discogs.com/artist/1917747-Sturmtruppen https://www.discogs.com/artist/1917747-Sturmtruppen It has a Wikipedia page: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmtruppen_Skinheads https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmtruppen_Skinheads > In Deutschland wurde es wegen seiner überwiegend ausländerfeindlichen Texte von der Bundesprüfstelle für jugendgefährdende Medien indiziert. > Mehrere Mitglieder der Band waren in der Nationalistischen Jugend Schweiz organisiert.

korethr 5y ago
Indeed I have. I have edited my post to reflect that.

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