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I’m a Data Scientist – Here’s why I work at Facebook

20 points by gabea 5y ago

gopiandcode 5y ago
TL;DR: Big fat paychecks, and the rest of the article is just some mental acrobatics to satisfy the author's moral conscience. In yesterday's news: I'm a Marlboro scientist, here's why I still falsify science for them.
gotostatement 5y ago
propaganda
- nzmsv 5y ago
  She is Russian too so she must be evil :D
peakaboo 5y ago
I'm a good person. Here is why I don't work for the tech mafia.
delgaudm 5y ago
FTA: ...what has been a very hard three weeks for my team. I think /u/urda's comment in another thread[0] feels appropriate: "Every employee and Engineer that is currently at Facebook is involved in this mess. Every one of them are complicit. To the FB Engineers reading this: it is a saddening you have chosen to use your talents to build dangerous technologies instead of technologies that improve our lives." [1] [0] Specifically: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28804729 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28804729 [1] Contained within this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28804173 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28804173
- ironmagma 5y ago
  Ascribing blame for a company’s actions to its employees is questionable. They play a small role, for sure, but much more culpable are the shareholders and executives.
  - JohnFen 5y ago
    I agree to a point. However, employees do at least have to acknowledge that if they choose to work for, or stay at, a bad company then they get some blame as well. If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
    - ironmagma 5y ago
      Agreed to a point. Choosing where you work is a luxury however. In the software world, or at least, in the VC-funded software world, we are spoiled with an abundance of mobility. The same is not true for many other verticals and probably most other industries.
  - milliondollar 5y ago
    Nazi prison guards of our algorithm world war.
    - ironmagma 5y ago
      Can you think of any major differences between a positions of public office and an executive at a private company?
anonymouswacker 5y ago
I can think of 300-450 thousand reasons to work at Facebook as a DS, but that's it.
joedoejr 5y ago
IDK about data sciences but facebook keep blocking guys that have surname Khokhlov, which is coincidental to slightly offensive naming of Ukranians.
octokatt 5y ago
Data science, and probably software engineering in general, needs something like the Iron Ring [0], where you make a pledge to not build bad things. While I understand the author of this Medium post wanted to do something good, and maybe even managed to mitigate something worse... ultimately, the project is a failure. People have died because of Facebook [1]. The analogy I want to draw is of a civil engineer, responsible for adding additional support to a bridge. The bridge partially collapses, killing people. Maybe the work lead to less of a collapse, but the moral thing to do is to loudly object to the bridge being used at all. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Ring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Ring [1] https://www.npr.org/2021/05/13/996570855/disinformation-dozen-test-facebooks-twitters-ability-to-curb-vaccine-hoaxes https://www.npr.org/2021/05/13/996570855/disinformation-doze...
- LegitShady 5y ago
  The iron ring has no legal significance. That's handled by whoever the licensing body for that region is. The iron ring is a purely symbolic ceremony about taking your work seriously. Do you want to set up a licensing body for computer engineers, outside of which practice would be illegal? That's how civil engineers are held accountable - not by the iron ring.
- deleted 5y ago
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mint2 5y ago
Heard an npr story on how Facebook posts are being used to promote violence against tigrays in Ethiopia. I suppose the engineers may have reduced hate speech and if it wasn’t Facebook then another network could take its place… but the way Facebook provides an easy platform for disinformation and hate and is detrimental to the psychology of many of its users is a tough pill to swallow. I really don’t see them doing enough visible action that the issues morally warrant

20 points by gabea 5y ago

TL;DR: Big fat paychecks, and the rest of the article is just some mental acrobatics to satisfy the author's moral conscience. In yesterday's news: I'm a Marlboro scientist, here's why I still falsify science for them.

gotostatement 5y ago

propaganda

nzmsv 5y ago
She is Russian too so she must be evil :D

peakaboo 5y ago

I'm a good person. Here is why I don't work for the tech mafia.

delgaudm 5y ago

FTA: ...what has been a very hard three weeks for my team. I think /u/urda's comment in another thread[0] feels appropriate: "Every employee and Engineer that is currently at Facebook is involved in this mess. Every one of them are complicit. To the FB Engineers reading this: it is a saddening you have chosen to use your talents to build dangerous technologies instead of technologies that improve our lives." [1] [0] Specifically: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28804729 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28804729 [1] Contained within this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28804173 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28804173

ironmagma 5y ago
Ascribing blame for a company’s actions to its employees is questionable. They play a small role, for sure, but much more culpable are the shareholders and executives.
- JohnFen 5y ago
  I agree to a point. However, employees do at least have to acknowledge that if they choose to work for, or stay at, a bad company then they get some blame as well. If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
  - ironmagma 5y ago
    Agreed to a point. Choosing where you work is a luxury however. In the software world, or at least, in the VC-funded software world, we are spoiled with an abundance of mobility. The same is not true for many other verticals and probably most other industries.
- milliondollar 5y ago
  Nazi prison guards of our algorithm world war.
  - ironmagma 5y ago
    Can you think of any major differences between a positions of public office and an executive at a private company?

anonymouswacker 5y ago

I can think of 300-450 thousand reasons to work at Facebook as a DS, but that's it.

joedoejr 5y ago

IDK about data sciences but facebook keep blocking guys that have surname Khokhlov, which is coincidental to slightly offensive naming of Ukranians.

octokatt 5y ago

Data science, and probably software engineering in general, needs something like the Iron Ring [0], where you make a pledge to not build bad things. While I understand the author of this Medium post wanted to do something good, and maybe even managed to mitigate something worse... ultimately, the project is a failure. People have died because of Facebook [1]. The analogy I want to draw is of a civil engineer, responsible for adding additional support to a bridge. The bridge partially collapses, killing people. Maybe the work lead to less of a collapse, but the moral thing to do is to loudly object to the bridge being used at all. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Ring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Ring [1] https://www.npr.org/2021/05/13/996570855/disinformation-dozen-test-facebooks-twitters-ability-to-curb-vaccine-hoaxes https://www.npr.org/2021/05/13/996570855/disinformation-doze...

LegitShady 5y ago
The iron ring has no legal significance. That's handled by whoever the licensing body for that region is. The iron ring is a purely symbolic ceremony about taking your work seriously. Do you want to set up a licensing body for computer engineers, outside of which practice would be illegal? That's how civil engineers are held accountable - not by the iron ring.
deleted 5y ago
[deleted]

mint2 5y ago

Heard an npr story on how Facebook posts are being used to promote violence against tigrays in Ethiopia. I suppose the engineers may have reduced hate speech and if it wasn’t Facebook then another network could take its place… but the way Facebook provides an easy platform for disinformation and hate and is detrimental to the psychology of many of its users is a tough pill to swallow. I really don’t see them doing enough visible action that the issues morally warrant