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> "please take it to stop it killing others" Given that the vaccine doesn't work to stop transmissions, I'd reckon this was just another way for the "experts"

by tomp 5y ago

> "please take it to stop it killing others" Given that the vaccine doesn't work to stop transmissions, I'd reckon this was just another way for the "experts" to further loose trust with the public.

rob_c 5y ago
The experts selling it? The experts politically mandating the pisspoor sales contracts? Or the experts who say a natural response to covid is better and that they'll be sued for saying this publically after the reddit "I know science mob" is through with them?... Frankly it was about capacity. If enough get critically I'll we go into triage and kill oaps by prioritising treatment. The fact the vaccine is linked with less severe symptoms proves it would statistically save lives. The crowd insisting children get vaxed are just hypochondriacs or those who fail to understand statistics. (Or those refusing to share vaccines with the at risk in foreign countries who will almost certainly die compared to have to take time off school...)
- tomp 5y ago
  Looks like we agree? That people should take the vaccine to save themselves (from having to go into the hospital and be triaged...)
  - rob_c 5y ago
    But frankly if our healthcare wasn't stretched to breaking point we wouldn't be seeing so much triage. And if the vaccine actually was a complete vaccine at the same efficacy of wet vaccine from other diseases then transmission would drop and we wouldn't be talking about boosters, catching it after vaccination and frankly the estimates of total hospitalisation rates due to covid were about as reliable as a chocolate tea pot.
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fknorangesite 5y ago
> Given that the vaccine doesn't work to stop transmissions, Nothing is perfect, but vaccination reduces transmission significantly: > Two studies from Israel, posted as preprints on 16 July, find that two doses of the [Pfizer] vaccine ... are 81% effective at preventing SARS-CoV-2 infections. And vaccinated people who do get infected are up to 78% less likely to spread the virus to household members than are unvaccinated people. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02054-z https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02054-z
- adamiscool8 5y ago
  Important to note that both of these studies are on pre-Delta variant patient sets, so unlikely to represent current real world impact on transmission from vaccination. This [0] is the most recent I've seen, and it suggests the reduction in transmission against Delta is smaller and wanes rapidly, even with the mRNA vaccines. [0] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v1.full-text https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v...
rob_c 5y ago
Frankly it justified the huge expense in buying the defective product after contracting away the right to sue IMO... Given the media reporting in the really days made this vaccine seem like it'd be a guaranteed "cures what ails ya"...

by tomp 5y ago

> "please take it to stop it killing others" Given that the vaccine doesn't work to stop transmissions, I'd reckon this was just another way for the "experts" to further loose trust with the public.

rob_c 5y ago

The experts selling it? The experts politically mandating the pisspoor sales contracts? Or the experts who say a natural response to covid is better and that they'll be sued for saying this publically after the reddit "I know science mob" is through with them?... Frankly it was about capacity. If enough get critically I'll we go into triage and kill oaps by prioritising treatment. The fact the vaccine is linked with less severe symptoms proves it would statistically save lives. The crowd insisting children get vaxed are just hypochondriacs or those who fail to understand statistics. (Or those refusing to share vaccines with the at risk in foreign countries who will almost certainly die compared to have to take time off school...)

tomp 5y ago
Looks like we agree? That people should take the vaccine to save themselves (from having to go into the hospital and be triaged...)
- rob_c 5y ago
  But frankly if our healthcare wasn't stretched to breaking point we wouldn't be seeing so much triage. And if the vaccine actually was a complete vaccine at the same efficacy of wet vaccine from other diseases then transmission would drop and we wouldn't be talking about boosters, catching it after vaccination and frankly the estimates of total hospitalisation rates due to covid were about as reliable as a chocolate tea pot.

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fknorangesite 5y ago

> Given that the vaccine doesn't work to stop transmissions, Nothing is perfect, but vaccination reduces transmission significantly: > Two studies from Israel, posted as preprints on 16 July, find that two doses of the [Pfizer] vaccine ... are 81% effective at preventing SARS-CoV-2 infections. And vaccinated people who do get infected are up to 78% less likely to spread the virus to household members than are unvaccinated people. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02054-z https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02054-z

adamiscool8 5y ago
Important to note that both of these studies are on pre-Delta variant patient sets, so unlikely to represent current real world impact on transmission from vaccination. This [0] is the most recent I've seen, and it suggests the reduction in transmission against Delta is smaller and wanes rapidly, even with the mRNA vaccines. [0] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v1.full-text https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v...

rob_c 5y ago

Frankly it justified the huge expense in buying the defective product after contracting away the right to sue IMO... Given the media reporting in the really days made this vaccine seem like it'd be a guaranteed "cures what ails ya"...