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> Germany is firing up coal plants because they're decomissining their nuclear reactors in favour of intermittent energy sources No they aren't, they are decom

> Germany is firing up coal plants because they're decomissining their nuclear reactors in favour of intermittent energy sources No they aren't, they are decomissioning coal plants, too, and at a much faster rate than nuclear. From 2013 to 2020 nuclear as share of Germany's energy mix went from 17% to 13%. https://energy-charts.info/charts/energy_pie/chart.htm?l=en& https://energy-charts.info/charts/energy_pie/chart.htm?l=en&... During the same time, coal went from 45% to 23%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Germany > Germany kwh price is 2x compared to France The difference is taxes, not production costs. Have a look at price composition for Germany: https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/what-german-households-pay-power https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/what-german-house...

cerved 5y ago
it should be zero f*ing percent
lm28469 5y ago
These aren't the numbers I have https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/paragraph_text_image/public/paragraphs/images/fig1-installed-net-power-generation-capacity-germany-2002-2020.png?itok=M92H7P69 https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/p...
- jhgb 5y ago
  So a decrease from 48.6 GW of coal capacity in 2002 to 43.5 GW of coal capacity in 2020 is "firing up coal plants" to you?
- Gwypaas 5y ago
  That's capacity, the interesting side is usage which as you can see also has declined, while total capacity has increased. https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/gallery_image/public/paragraphs/images/fig2-gross-power-production-germany-1990-2020.png?itok=xVUsZl3M https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/g...
adev_ 5y ago
Fact is that even today (13/10/2021) Germany is still running its electricity production at 51% on Coal, when France uses coal for close to nothing due to Nuclear [1]. And it is very unlikely to change on medium term (next 20 years) due to the unreliable nature of the renewable energy supply. The result is that electricity production in France today causes around 74gCo2/kwh emission when Germany is around 469g/kwh. Meaning around 6x more emission.. and for an higher price on consumption. [^1]: https://app.electricitymap.org/zone/FR https://app.electricitymap.org/zone/FR > The difference is taxes, not production costs. Have a look at price composition for Germany: https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/what-german-house https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/what-german-house... Taxes are close to the same in France with close to 31% of the cost only in Taxes [2]. That along does not justify the 2x difference of price. Also a big part of these taxes are subsidies there to support the renewable energy themselves... Which is pretty ironical considering that previous "subsidies" given to the nuclear sector where one of the main argument against nuclear in the past decade. [2] https://en.selectra.info/energy-france/guides/electricity/tariffs https://en.selectra.info/energy-france/guides/electricity/ta...
- bildung 5y ago
  > Fact is that even today (13/10/2021) Germany is still running its electricity production at 51% on Coal, And one day later it's 38.7%, which shows that daily fluctuations are quite high. Therefore my link to the 2020 average, which was 23%. > taxes are close to the same in France with close to 31% of the cost only in Taxes [2]. That along does not justify the 2x difference of price. Here it is in detail, the net energy prices in Germany vs. France are about the same: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=File:Electricity_prices_for_household_consumers,_second_half_2020_(EUR_per_kWh)_v1.png https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...

cerved 5y ago

it should be zero f*ing percent

lm28469 5y ago

These aren't the numbers I have https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/paragraph_text_image/public/paragraphs/images/fig1-installed-net-power-generation-capacity-germany-2002-2020.png?itok=M92H7P69 https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/p...

jhgb 5y ago
So a decrease from 48.6 GW of coal capacity in 2002 to 43.5 GW of coal capacity in 2020 is "firing up coal plants" to you?
Gwypaas 5y ago
That's capacity, the interesting side is usage which as you can see also has declined, while total capacity has increased. https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/gallery_image/public/paragraphs/images/fig2-gross-power-production-germany-1990-2020.png?itok=xVUsZl3M https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/g...

adev_ 5y ago

Fact is that even today (13/10/2021) Germany is still running its electricity production at 51% on Coal, when France uses coal for close to nothing due to Nuclear [1]. And it is very unlikely to change on medium term (next 20 years) due to the unreliable nature of the renewable energy supply. The result is that electricity production in France today causes around 74gCo2/kwh emission when Germany is around 469g/kwh. Meaning around 6x more emission.. and for an higher price on consumption. [^1]: https://app.electricitymap.org/zone/FR https://app.electricitymap.org/zone/FR > The difference is taxes, not production costs. Have a look at price composition for Germany: https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/what-german-house https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/what-german-house... Taxes are close to the same in France with close to 31% of the cost only in Taxes [2]. That along does not justify the 2x difference of price. Also a big part of these taxes are subsidies there to support the renewable energy themselves... Which is pretty ironical considering that previous "subsidies" given to the nuclear sector where one of the main argument against nuclear in the past decade. [2] https://en.selectra.info/energy-france/guides/electricity/tariffs https://en.selectra.info/energy-france/guides/electricity/ta...

bildung 5y ago
> Fact is that even today (13/10/2021) Germany is still running its electricity production at 51% on Coal, And one day later it's 38.7%, which shows that daily fluctuations are quite high. Therefore my link to the 2020 average, which was 23%. > taxes are close to the same in France with close to 31% of the cost only in Taxes [2]. That along does not justify the 2x difference of price. Here it is in detail, the net energy prices in Germany vs. France are about the same: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=File:Electricity_prices_for_household_consumers,_second_half_2020_(EUR_per_kWh)_v1.png https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...