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Seriously. The vendiagram of people who would be for interment of a minority they distrust or a war for retribution, and the people currently rallying against m

by ssully 5y ago

Seriously. The vendiagram of people who would be for interment of a minority they distrust or a war for retribution, and the people currently rallying against mask/vaccine's would almost be a perfect circle.

ifyoubuildit 5y ago
> people who would be for interment of a minority they distrust If the government announced tomorrow that they would be putting all unvaccinated people in internment camps for everyone's safety, how many people do you think would be in favor? I've certainly seen plenty of comments on the internet that would suggest it's not zero.
- ssully 5y ago
  I would like to think that is something that would be acceptable to a fringe minority. Mandates are one thing; forced detention is like multiple steps further in the wrong direction.
- philovivero 5y ago
  You are on hacker news. Left is good. Right is bad. Facts and reality will not change this formula. You are absolutely right. Just read the comments, not even "on the internet" but right here on HN. Some even seem in favour of a... "more extreme" solution yet than internment, and have not a shred of self-reflection when they talk a mad game about others being bad people.
- spookthesunset 5y ago
  > If the government announced tomorrow that they would be putting all unvaccinated people in internment camps for everyone's safety, how many people do you think would be in favor? If messaged properly (eg: getting “the experts” to hint at it, getting NYT to push for it, etc) I bet a shockingly high amount of people in blue regions would cheer it on. I’m convinced that all that kept this from escalating to violence is the fact that the media and “the experts” haven’t given permission. If they said to “take matters in into your own hands when around somebody who isn’t masked” I bet there would be lot of violence…
  - greedo 5y ago
    I think Tucker Carlson saying that if you see a child with a mask, the parents should be arrested for child abuse, and that you should go up and rip the mask off is along the lines of the media giving permission for violence over masks... but to a different side than you're thinking.
  - ajuc 5y ago
    There's already been violence over vaccination and masks. Mostly from the usual side (alt-right): [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] It's one thing to try to be objective and look at both sides. It's another to purposefully present a political issue as independent from political views. Anti-vax and anti-mask attitudes, conspiracy theories and tendency to violence are positively correlated with right-wing political views. That's just how it is. > I’m convinced that all that kept this from escalating to violence is the fact that the media and “the experts” haven’t given permission. Well, duh, if mainstream goes crazy then everything goes crazy. We know that since at least WW2. The problem with alt-right is exactly that - their media and their experts give permission for violence, because anything that doesn't go their way is "treason" and "conspiracy". Compare what happened after Trump won with what happened after Biden did. One side did an investigation and protested. The other occupied the Congress. [1] https://www.9news.com.au/national/sydney-cafe-targeted-by-anti-vaxxed-flooded-with-support/95eebb3a-b184-4d31-b1bf-8a19d42e51b3 https://www.9news.com.au/national/sydney-cafe-targeted-by-an... [2] https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italian-police-arrest-far-right-party-officials-after-anti-vax-riot-2021-10-10/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italian-police-arrest-f... [3] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-02/poland-on-alert-after-act-of-terror-from-anti-vaccine-group https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-02/poland-on... [4] https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-health-watch/violence-erupts-michigan-over-state-mask-mandate-powder-keg https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-health-watch/violence-erup... [5] https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/08/13/northern-california-teacher-beaten-up-by-dad-angered-by-masking-of-child/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/08/13/northern-california-t...
    - ifyoubuildit 5y ago
      > Anti-vax and anti-mask attitudes, conspiracy theories and tendency to violence are positively correlated with right-wing political views. That's just how it is. Sounds like a decent reason to maybe keep these people separate from the rest of the population, just for a little while until everything is back to normal. How would you feel about that? Would you cheer? Would you miss a paycheck to protest in the streets?
JasonFruit 5y ago
I think that Venn diagram may have shifted a fair amount lately, partly because of increasing skepticism towards the government on the political right. When the government begins to portray you as the enemy, it makes you think twice about its depiction of others.

by ssully 5y ago

ifyoubuildit 5y ago

> people who would be for interment of a minority they distrust If the government announced tomorrow that they would be putting all unvaccinated people in internment camps for everyone's safety, how many people do you think would be in favor? I've certainly seen plenty of comments on the internet that would suggest it's not zero.

ssully 5y ago
I would like to think that is something that would be acceptable to a fringe minority. Mandates are one thing; forced detention is like multiple steps further in the wrong direction.
philovivero 5y ago
You are on hacker news. Left is good. Right is bad. Facts and reality will not change this formula. You are absolutely right. Just read the comments, not even "on the internet" but right here on HN. Some even seem in favour of a... "more extreme" solution yet than internment, and have not a shred of self-reflection when they talk a mad game about others being bad people.
spookthesunset 5y ago
> If the government announced tomorrow that they would be putting all unvaccinated people in internment camps for everyone's safety, how many people do you think would be in favor? If messaged properly (eg: getting “the experts” to hint at it, getting NYT to push for it, etc) I bet a shockingly high amount of people in blue regions would cheer it on. I’m convinced that all that kept this from escalating to violence is the fact that the media and “the experts” haven’t given permission. If they said to “take matters in into your own hands when around somebody who isn’t masked” I bet there would be lot of violence…
- greedo 5y ago
  I think Tucker Carlson saying that if you see a child with a mask, the parents should be arrested for child abuse, and that you should go up and rip the mask off is along the lines of the media giving permission for violence over masks... but to a different side than you're thinking.
- ajuc 5y ago
  There's already been violence over vaccination and masks. Mostly from the usual side (alt-right): [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] It's one thing to try to be objective and look at both sides. It's another to purposefully present a political issue as independent from political views. Anti-vax and anti-mask attitudes, conspiracy theories and tendency to violence are positively correlated with right-wing political views. That's just how it is. > I’m convinced that all that kept this from escalating to violence is the fact that the media and “the experts” haven’t given permission. Well, duh, if mainstream goes crazy then everything goes crazy. We know that since at least WW2. The problem with alt-right is exactly that - their media and their experts give permission for violence, because anything that doesn't go their way is "treason" and "conspiracy". Compare what happened after Trump won with what happened after Biden did. One side did an investigation and protested. The other occupied the Congress. [1] https://www.9news.com.au/national/sydney-cafe-targeted-by-anti-vaxxed-flooded-with-support/95eebb3a-b184-4d31-b1bf-8a19d42e51b3 https://www.9news.com.au/national/sydney-cafe-targeted-by-an... [2] https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italian-police-arrest-far-right-party-officials-after-anti-vax-riot-2021-10-10/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italian-police-arrest-f... [3] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-02/poland-on-alert-after-act-of-terror-from-anti-vaccine-group https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-02/poland-on... [4] https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-health-watch/violence-erupts-michigan-over-state-mask-mandate-powder-keg https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-health-watch/violence-erup... [5] https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/08/13/northern-california-teacher-beaten-up-by-dad-angered-by-masking-of-child/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/08/13/northern-california-t...
  - ifyoubuildit 5y ago
    > Anti-vax and anti-mask attitudes, conspiracy theories and tendency to violence are positively correlated with right-wing political views. That's just how it is. Sounds like a decent reason to maybe keep these people separate from the rest of the population, just for a little while until everything is back to normal. How would you feel about that? Would you cheer? Would you miss a paycheck to protest in the streets?

JasonFruit 5y ago

I think that Venn diagram may have shifted a fair amount lately, partly because of increasing skepticism towards the government on the political right. When the government begins to portray you as the enemy, it makes you think twice about its depiction of others.