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Good read. I think this age's "turning point" is going to last quite a while, many decades probably. Trust in governments is at an all-time low; they no longer

Good read. I think this age's "turning point" is going to last quite a while, many decades probably. Trust in governments is at an all-time low; they no longer work for the people and for the betterment of society anymore, rather they are actively against the people. And the people have little to no recourse. Something has to change with governance before the technology is of benefit to society. Or people need to have a mass awakening with how technology is being actively used to erode our society. Not hopeful about either.

ashtonkem 5y ago
Arguably the turning point in the 1800s lasted a while, potentially from 1848 (the year of revolution) to 1871 (end of the Franco-Prussian war and the creation of the German Empire). Some of us might have to live our entire lives in what turned out later to be a turning point.
chrchang523 5y ago
Source for "Trust in governments is at an all-time low"? I looked at the G7 numbers for 2006-2020 at https://data.oecd.org/gga/trust-in-government.htm https://data.oecd.org/gga/trust-in-government.htm , and they do not seem consistent with this claim.
WalterBright 5y ago
> Trust in governments is at an all-time low; Isn't it the opposite? The progressives are in power, and they believe every problem has a government solution.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > Isn't it the opposite? No. While “Trust in governments is at all time low” is probably unsupportable hyperbole, the opposite isn't true either. > The progressives are in power No, they aren't, in the US at least. A liberal/progressive coalition holds effective legislative power in the House, a majority capable of only exceptional legislation in the Senate (because of the filibuster rule, and because a couple moderates that make up the balance of a majority vote with the coalition on most things but oppose any movement in the rules which prevent it from exercising general legislative power in the Senate), with a liberal holding the Presidency. > and they believe every problem has a government solution. No, that's not what either progressives or the liberals they are in a working coalition with believe. (They tend to believe that government has solutions to some things that the Right doesn't trust government to do, at the same time they’d generally exclude government from some functions the Right loves to interpose it into.)
- vineyardmike 5y ago
  And people who say political flames like this surely don't trust the government, right?

ashtonkem 5y ago

Arguably the turning point in the 1800s lasted a while, potentially from 1848 (the year of revolution) to 1871 (end of the Franco-Prussian war and the creation of the German Empire). Some of us might have to live our entire lives in what turned out later to be a turning point.

chrchang523 5y ago

Source for "Trust in governments is at an all-time low"? I looked at the G7 numbers for 2006-2020 at https://data.oecd.org/gga/trust-in-government.htm https://data.oecd.org/gga/trust-in-government.htm , and they do not seem consistent with this claim.

WalterBright 5y ago

> Trust in governments is at an all-time low; Isn't it the opposite? The progressives are in power, and they believe every problem has a government solution.

dragonwriter 5y ago
> Isn't it the opposite? No. While “Trust in governments is at all time low” is probably unsupportable hyperbole, the opposite isn't true either. > The progressives are in power No, they aren't, in the US at least. A liberal/progressive coalition holds effective legislative power in the House, a majority capable of only exceptional legislation in the Senate (because of the filibuster rule, and because a couple moderates that make up the balance of a majority vote with the coalition on most things but oppose any movement in the rules which prevent it from exercising general legislative power in the Senate), with a liberal holding the Presidency. > and they believe every problem has a government solution. No, that's not what either progressives or the liberals they are in a working coalition with believe. (They tend to believe that government has solutions to some things that the Right doesn't trust government to do, at the same time they’d generally exclude government from some functions the Right loves to interpose it into.)
vineyardmike 5y ago
And people who say political flames like this surely don't trust the government, right?