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Eh... Literally every generation thinks the world is going to shit. And yet here we are! In school, my father had to operate his class's Geiger counter while p

Eh... Literally every generation thinks the world is going to shit. And yet here we are! In school, my father had to operate his class's Geiger counter while practicing huddling under his desk in fear of a nuclear attack. Then after graduating he got drafted (DRAFTED!!!) into the hell-scape that was Vietnam. I respect your decision, but you and I? We don't have it so bad.

klyrs 5y ago
> you and I? We don't have it so bad. Still talking past the point, eh? I'm doing fine. I'm concerned about the world that my children, and my grandchildren will live in. I'll be quite old, probably dead, by the time that we're projected to see the collapse of the gulf stream, blue ocean event, +4C, etc, but I'll live to meet the people who will want to survive through those events. We nailed the Ozone Layer catastrophe. It required worldwide collaboration, but we did it. We're already seeing lethal effects of climate change, and nobody in power seems to give a fuck like they did before. But yeah, I don't have it so bad. Never said I didn't. I'm thinking about 100-200 years down the line; you keep telling me about how great things are today.
- kingdomcome50 5y ago
  > I'm doing fine. Precisely! My point is that my (or your) grandparents/parents could have held the same sentiments you are holding now. And they would have been wrong. > I'm thinking about 100-200 years down the line Your children will not be alive in 100-200 years so your point is also moot. Unfortunately, I believe you believe what you are saying will come to pass and it will be "society collapsing". I don't. No point in arguing about it any further. Message me in 100-200 years to say "I told you so".
  - klyrs 5y ago
    > Your children will not be alive in 100-200 years so your point is also moot. Wow, you really love attacking strawmen don't you? No wonder you're such an optimist.
    - kingdomcome50 5y ago
      > you really love attacking strawmen Are we having the same discussion? > I did make a deliberate choice to not reproduce specifically because I didn't want to bring a child into an environment that's on the brink of collapse I suppose I assumed you didn't think "the brink of collapse" would last 100-200 years, rather, that you fear your children would have to (in their lifetime) deal with the fallout from such a "collapse". And that such an event will be so traumatic that it would be better they weren't ever alive to experience it. I take your pivot towards attacking me as a compliment, and a sure-fire sign you believe your position has weakened. Though I don't care either way. You are free to make whatever decisions you want for whatever reasons you want. I can respect that. The impetus for my original comment was an "in good faith" attempt to get you to consider (or reconsider) a decision I believed to have been made in ignorance (or at the very least with a healthy dose of hysteria). I have no inclination to change your mind. That's for you to do.

klyrs 5y ago

> you and I? We don't have it so bad. Still talking past the point, eh? I'm doing fine. I'm concerned about the world that my children, and my grandchildren will live in. I'll be quite old, probably dead, by the time that we're projected to see the collapse of the gulf stream, blue ocean event, +4C, etc, but I'll live to meet the people who will want to survive through those events. We nailed the Ozone Layer catastrophe. It required worldwide collaboration, but we did it. We're already seeing lethal effects of climate change, and nobody in power seems to give a fuck like they did before. But yeah, I don't have it so bad. Never said I didn't. I'm thinking about 100-200 years down the line; you keep telling me about how great things are today.

kingdomcome50 5y ago
> I'm doing fine. Precisely! My point is that my (or your) grandparents/parents could have held the same sentiments you are holding now. And they would have been wrong. > I'm thinking about 100-200 years down the line Your children will not be alive in 100-200 years so your point is also moot. Unfortunately, I believe you believe what you are saying will come to pass and it will be "society collapsing". I don't. No point in arguing about it any further. Message me in 100-200 years to say "I told you so".
- klyrs 5y ago
  > Your children will not be alive in 100-200 years so your point is also moot. Wow, you really love attacking strawmen don't you? No wonder you're such an optimist.
  - kingdomcome50 5y ago
    > you really love attacking strawmen Are we having the same discussion? > I did make a deliberate choice to not reproduce specifically because I didn't want to bring a child into an environment that's on the brink of collapse I suppose I assumed you didn't think "the brink of collapse" would last 100-200 years, rather, that you fear your children would have to (in their lifetime) deal with the fallout from such a "collapse". And that such an event will be so traumatic that it would be better they weren't ever alive to experience it. I take your pivot towards attacking me as a compliment, and a sure-fire sign you believe your position has weakened. Though I don't care either way. You are free to make whatever decisions you want for whatever reasons you want. I can respect that. The impetus for my original comment was an "in good faith" attempt to get you to consider (or reconsider) a decision I believed to have been made in ignorance (or at the very least with a healthy dose of hysteria). I have no inclination to change your mind. That's for you to do.