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that is why the language for cloud native is GO, and languages like Java/C# are dead tech stack, they failed to reinvent themselves to stay relevant

FpUser 5y ago
>"they failed to reinvent themselves to stay relevant" This sounds like it came straight out of "The Corporate BS generator" - https://www.atrixnet.com/bs-generator.html https://www.atrixnet.com/bs-generator.html.
- Shadonototra 5y ago
  no, it's the direct translation of the benchmark of this post cold start should be a thing of the past, hence the "failed to reinvent themselves to stay relevant" you need to speak to the hardware directly, not to the VM or the embedded compiler with ARM and ultimately RISC-V coming, that's gonna be even more true
  - ewjt 5y ago
    How does a single metric from a highly specialized runtime environment indicate a tech stack is dead? There are things you can do right now [1] to mitigate these cold start issues. Going forward, ahead-of-time compilation will be an option. [2] Aside from cold starts, note that the improvements in .NET make ASP.NET Core one of the fastest web frameworks. [3] The article: > “.Net has almost the same performance as Golang and Rust, but only after 1k iterations(after JIT).” Additions like async/await and nullable reference types make it easier to write bug-free code, which for a lot of folks is a better trade off than “speaking to the hardware directly”. .NET also runs natively on a bunch of platforms now, including ARM. I’d call all of that continuous improvement. Perhaps even reinvention? [1] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/deploying/ready-to-run https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/deploying/ready... [2] https://github.com/dotnet/runtimelab/tree/feature/NativeAOT https://github.com/dotnet/runtimelab/tree/feature/NativeAOT [3] https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=test&runid=57b25c85-082a-4013-b572-b0939006eaff&hw=ph&test=composite&a=2 https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=test&runid=5...
Hallucinaut 5y ago
I mean, there's GraalVM. Not sure how much more reinventing you think is warranted not to be "dead"

FpUser 5y ago

>"they failed to reinvent themselves to stay relevant" This sounds like it came straight out of "The Corporate BS generator" - https://www.atrixnet.com/bs-generator.html https://www.atrixnet.com/bs-generator.html.

Shadonototra 5y ago
no, it's the direct translation of the benchmark of this post cold start should be a thing of the past, hence the "failed to reinvent themselves to stay relevant" you need to speak to the hardware directly, not to the VM or the embedded compiler with ARM and ultimately RISC-V coming, that's gonna be even more true
- ewjt 5y ago
  How does a single metric from a highly specialized runtime environment indicate a tech stack is dead? There are things you can do right now [1] to mitigate these cold start issues. Going forward, ahead-of-time compilation will be an option. [2] Aside from cold starts, note that the improvements in .NET make ASP.NET Core one of the fastest web frameworks. [3] The article: > “.Net has almost the same performance as Golang and Rust, but only after 1k iterations(after JIT).” Additions like async/await and nullable reference types make it easier to write bug-free code, which for a lot of folks is a better trade off than “speaking to the hardware directly”. .NET also runs natively on a bunch of platforms now, including ARM. I’d call all of that continuous improvement. Perhaps even reinvention? [1] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/deploying/ready-to-run https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/deploying/ready... [2] https://github.com/dotnet/runtimelab/tree/feature/NativeAOT https://github.com/dotnet/runtimelab/tree/feature/NativeAOT [3] https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=test&runid=57b25c85-082a-4013-b572-b0939006eaff&hw=ph&test=composite&a=2 https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=test&runid=5...

Hallucinaut 5y ago

I mean, there's GraalVM. Not sure how much more reinventing you think is warranted not to be "dead"