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If you have not experienced the magic leap videos do not do it justice. Heres my video flying inside my house: https://youtu.be/Grlk03MdScQ https://youtu.be/G

If you have not experienced the magic leap videos do not do it justice. Heres my video flying inside my house: https://youtu.be/Grlk03MdScQ https://youtu.be/Grlk03MdScQ The jaw dropping aspects: - it correctly knows when to mask for the column - it does lighting effects from the planes headlights - it does particle collisions with my furniture when it crashes - it crashes by detecting i hit the wall It really is amazing tech but it is very unpolished. But I am very hopeful they keep pushing and it gets cheaper and more people can experience it and develop for it. This is like the amiga. We are at the infancy of AR.

acchow 5y ago
"it correctly knows when to mask for the column" correctly? https://imgur.com/h3zHxDW https://imgur.com/h3zHxDW
- leetrout 5y ago
  It doesnt look as bad in stereo when you're distracted by the motion. Such an unusual experience for it to go behind something.
- deleted 5y ago
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taneq 5y ago
TBH that's better than I expected. I'd call the column masking "barely adequate" rather than "correctly" but it's at least making an attempt to reconstruct the scene and do additive composition in realtime. Wasn't the real breakthrough meant to be to do with variable focus lightfield voodoo meaning that the rendered components looked like they 'fitted in' with the scene and could occlude as well as be occluded, rather than being additive CGI floating in front of it?
lostgame 5y ago
>> This is like the amiga. Problem is it was marketed like a supercomputer and what we got was an Amiga. Which is fine for the hobbyist nerds who can see the potential. Not so good for literally anyone else.
- leetrout 5y ago
  I do not disagree. They are kinda doing the Tesla approach now (or as of 2019) where they are trying to sell a higher end experience. Their medical demos / apps were really awesome. You could place a virtual cadaver on the physical table. When they work out view sharing that is gonna be amazing for collaboration. They have a dream of "5G cities" where everyone walks around with these things fully connected. I think that is the wrong direction. Will be curious to see what comes of it.
  - Animats 5y ago
    They have a dream of "5G cities" where everyone walks around with these things fully connected. That's a nightmare. See "Hyperreality"[1], if you haven't. That may be the future of AR. Especially if Facebook is involved. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJg02ivYzSs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJg02ivYzSs
    - disqard 5y ago
      I remember seeing this years ago, and feeling like "more people need to watch this". Thank you for sharing it in this discussion!
sydthrowaway 5y ago
Are you serious? This looks like an undergraduate project hacked up with OpenCV.. I'd still give it an A though.
- leetrout 5y ago
  As I said, video does not do it justice. If you walk around while flying everything stays very well locked in place. It probably _is_ using OpenCV under the hood.
  - gonehome 5y ago
    I normally don't like to pile on with negativity, but I'd argue the video does do it justice. I played with one myself (the only one I ever saw in the wild and she only had one because her SO was one of the original investors) and it was similar to what the video shows. My first experience with VR was impressive, Magic Leap was a disappointment. The background is dark, the occlusions are bad, the hardware is large, and the FOV is poor. Magic Leap really burned a lot of good will imo by sucking up enormous amounts of AR funding having 'demo' marketing that was at best intentionally misleading if not just fraudulent. I'm still bullish on AR being the next platform when the hardware is ready, but I'd bet on Apple or Oculus pulling that off, I wouldn't go near anything from Magic Leap. This about sums it up: https://twitter.com/fernandojsg/status/1017411969169555457 https://twitter.com/fernandojsg/status/1017411969169555457 It's a little reminiscent of General Magic - something like the AR they want is likely to exist in the future, but I'd surprised if it's from them. Can you imagine Steve Jobs shipping something at the quality level of that video?
- snek_case 5y ago
  Yeah. I'm kind of left feeling like I'd rather fly the plane in a better looking simulated environment, with a first-person perspective. It's more flexible and fun than being tied to flying it in the environment around you. I still haven't seen a compelling use case for AR.
  - tjs8rj 5y ago
    Coolest one I’ve seen is VR workspaces. Buying a $5k setup per head where they can work from space or the Grand Canyon with unlimited monitors, sit/stand/lay down, software upgrades (only a few pieces of hardware to replace), virtual meetings, building and modeling anything they want, etc It’s still kinda clunky now, but the tech will get better. That’s a money saver (and a big improvement) with the main barriers being tech and familiarity, and those just come with time. Very bullish on that
Aunche 5y ago
Is this much different from the Hololens?
- croes 5y ago
  Hololens 1 and Magic Leap don't have much of a difference. The Magic Leap has a greater FOV
  - busterarm 5y ago
    And yet ML had to raise almost $5B to get to around ballpark with the Hololens which I assure you Microsoft invested substantially less money into and already has tens of billions in government contracts committed to use the thing.
    - leetrout 5y ago
      What they could do, if they figure out the right play, with the right hardware, is make this a really compelling active entertainment device. You already saw haw popular Pokemon Go was... I think locking eyeballs to locations has VC's interested.
      - tsimionescu 5y ago
        Yes, but Pokemon Go was popular because it was on a phone you already had, because it was an extremely popular franchise, and because of the good luck of being a fad at the right time. Nothing else took its place, and, while still being popular, it quickly faded from the status of global phenomenon. It's a nice money making game, but not a hardware seller.
        tdeck 5y ago
        Most people I knew who played Pokemon Go quickly turned off the AR feature anyway.
- leetrout 5y ago
shmatt 5y ago
I have to say, I've been reading these comments who love or hate ML, treating them as just another internet argument As someone who was following the public hype but never actually saw what they released. This is absolutely completely terrible. The promises they made when they raised half a billion dollars 7 years ago as a stealth company backed by tech geniuses. If this is what they have today, what were they showing investors 7 years ago? and why did investors think this is going to revolutionize the world?
- dntrkv 5y ago
  Just reserve judgement until you experience it yourself. You can't reproduce the experience on a 2D screen. That's the whole point.
  - DonHopkins 5y ago
    That didn't stop them from making fraudulent concept video demos that they falsely claimed to be actual existing games that they were already playing around the office, and that they promised much much more than they could actually deliver. So if you can't reproduce the experience on a 2D screen, then fake it and lie, you're saying? That IS the whole point.
  - tsimionescu 5y ago
    "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain". If all you can show is 20 year old looking graphics that only somewhat match the scene they are in (while moving at a glacial pace), I am going to bet that the "experience" is way over hyped as well.
- systemvoltage 5y ago
  I saw it during an interview at Ft Lauderdale. I was interviewing for the optics metrology engineer position. It was as mind blowing as the op is stating. Absolutely stunning. This was 5 years ago. Signed a bunch of NDA papers so shouldn’t talk too much about it.
  - tsimionescu 5y ago
didntknowya 5y ago
I've tried the headset and liked it but on a whole it was kind of disappointing. the tech was nowhere near what the company marketed it as. I'm sure it'll get there someday but for now it is all just rose-tinted glasses.
bogwog 5y ago
That looks pretty awesome! If this is what they could do with the version 1, then v2 might turn out to be really impressive.

acchow 5y ago

"it correctly knows when to mask for the column" correctly? https://imgur.com/h3zHxDW https://imgur.com/h3zHxDW

leetrout 5y ago
It doesnt look as bad in stereo when you're distracted by the motion. Such an unusual experience for it to go behind something.
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taneq 5y ago

TBH that's better than I expected. I'd call the column masking "barely adequate" rather than "correctly" but it's at least making an attempt to reconstruct the scene and do additive composition in realtime. Wasn't the real breakthrough meant to be to do with variable focus lightfield voodoo meaning that the rendered components looked like they 'fitted in' with the scene and could occlude as well as be occluded, rather than being additive CGI floating in front of it?

lostgame 5y ago

>> This is like the amiga. Problem is it was marketed like a supercomputer and what we got was an Amiga. Which is fine for the hobbyist nerds who can see the potential. Not so good for literally anyone else.

leetrout 5y ago
I do not disagree. They are kinda doing the Tesla approach now (or as of 2019) where they are trying to sell a higher end experience. Their medical demos / apps were really awesome. You could place a virtual cadaver on the physical table. When they work out view sharing that is gonna be amazing for collaboration. They have a dream of "5G cities" where everyone walks around with these things fully connected. I think that is the wrong direction. Will be curious to see what comes of it.
- Animats 5y ago
  They have a dream of "5G cities" where everyone walks around with these things fully connected. That's a nightmare. See "Hyperreality"[1], if you haven't. That may be the future of AR. Especially if Facebook is involved. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJg02ivYzSs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJg02ivYzSs
  - disqard 5y ago
    I remember seeing this years ago, and feeling like "more people need to watch this". Thank you for sharing it in this discussion!

sydthrowaway 5y ago

Are you serious? This looks like an undergraduate project hacked up with OpenCV.. I'd still give it an A though.

leetrout 5y ago
As I said, video does not do it justice. If you walk around while flying everything stays very well locked in place. It probably _is_ using OpenCV under the hood.
- gonehome 5y ago
  I normally don't like to pile on with negativity, but I'd argue the video does do it justice. I played with one myself (the only one I ever saw in the wild and she only had one because her SO was one of the original investors) and it was similar to what the video shows. My first experience with VR was impressive, Magic Leap was a disappointment. The background is dark, the occlusions are bad, the hardware is large, and the FOV is poor. Magic Leap really burned a lot of good will imo by sucking up enormous amounts of AR funding having 'demo' marketing that was at best intentionally misleading if not just fraudulent. I'm still bullish on AR being the next platform when the hardware is ready, but I'd bet on Apple or Oculus pulling that off, I wouldn't go near anything from Magic Leap. This about sums it up: https://twitter.com/fernandojsg/status/1017411969169555457 https://twitter.com/fernandojsg/status/1017411969169555457 It's a little reminiscent of General Magic - something like the AR they want is likely to exist in the future, but I'd surprised if it's from them. Can you imagine Steve Jobs shipping something at the quality level of that video?
snek_case 5y ago
Yeah. I'm kind of left feeling like I'd rather fly the plane in a better looking simulated environment, with a first-person perspective. It's more flexible and fun than being tied to flying it in the environment around you. I still haven't seen a compelling use case for AR.
- tjs8rj 5y ago
  Coolest one I’ve seen is VR workspaces. Buying a $5k setup per head where they can work from space or the Grand Canyon with unlimited monitors, sit/stand/lay down, software upgrades (only a few pieces of hardware to replace), virtual meetings, building and modeling anything they want, etc It’s still kinda clunky now, but the tech will get better. That’s a money saver (and a big improvement) with the main barriers being tech and familiarity, and those just come with time. Very bullish on that

Aunche 5y ago

Is this much different from the Hololens?

croes 5y ago
Hololens 1 and Magic Leap don't have much of a difference. The Magic Leap has a greater FOV
- busterarm 5y ago
  And yet ML had to raise almost $5B to get to around ballpark with the Hololens which I assure you Microsoft invested substantially less money into and already has tens of billions in government contracts committed to use the thing.
  - leetrout 5y ago
    What they could do, if they figure out the right play, with the right hardware, is make this a really compelling active entertainment device. You already saw haw popular Pokemon Go was... I think locking eyeballs to locations has VC's interested.
    - tsimionescu 5y ago
      Yes, but Pokemon Go was popular because it was on a phone you already had, because it was an extremely popular franchise, and because of the good luck of being a fad at the right time. Nothing else took its place, and, while still being popular, it quickly faded from the status of global phenomenon. It's a nice money making game, but not a hardware seller.
      - tdeck 5y ago
        Most people I knew who played Pokemon Go quickly turned off the AR feature anyway.
leetrout 5y ago

shmatt 5y ago

I have to say, I've been reading these comments who love or hate ML, treating them as just another internet argument As someone who was following the public hype but never actually saw what they released. This is absolutely completely terrible. The promises they made when they raised half a billion dollars 7 years ago as a stealth company backed by tech geniuses. If this is what they have today, what were they showing investors 7 years ago? and why did investors think this is going to revolutionize the world?

dntrkv 5y ago
Just reserve judgement until you experience it yourself. You can't reproduce the experience on a 2D screen. That's the whole point.
- DonHopkins 5y ago
  That didn't stop them from making fraudulent concept video demos that they falsely claimed to be actual existing games that they were already playing around the office, and that they promised much much more than they could actually deliver. So if you can't reproduce the experience on a 2D screen, then fake it and lie, you're saying? That IS the whole point.
- tsimionescu 5y ago
  "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain". If all you can show is 20 year old looking graphics that only somewhat match the scene they are in (while moving at a glacial pace), I am going to bet that the "experience" is way over hyped as well.
systemvoltage 5y ago
I saw it during an interview at Ft Lauderdale. I was interviewing for the optics metrology engineer position. It was as mind blowing as the op is stating. Absolutely stunning. This was 5 years ago. Signed a bunch of NDA papers so shouldn’t talk too much about it.
- tsimionescu 5y ago

didntknowya 5y ago

I've tried the headset and liked it but on a whole it was kind of disappointing. the tech was nowhere near what the company marketed it as. I'm sure it'll get there someday but for now it is all just rose-tinted glasses.

bogwog 5y ago

That looks pretty awesome! If this is what they could do with the version 1, then v2 might turn out to be really impressive.