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> If everybody got the damn vaccine There are many people like me who have high level of antibodies, don't really need a vaccine this way (AFAIK there already

> If everybody got the damn vaccine There are many people like me who have high level of antibodies, don't really need a vaccine this way (AFAIK there already is enough evidence supporting this) and don't want to get vaccinated with the fastest-baked (least tested) vaccine in history despite being passionately pro-vac when it's about other diseases and better-tested vaccines. I don't want the damn vaccine. I want the damn immunity which I have (and test for every ~3 months) and the damn government to recognize it. I also doubt there are many unvaccinated people who still have no antibodies. How could they possibly be so successful in avoiding the virus for so long?

ericmay 5y ago
No, you just don’t want to get vaccinated. Everything else is window dressing around that. The virus will mutate and continue to do so. Eventually your immunity will weaken - will you get the vaccine then? Doubt it. You’ll make up another excuse then instead. And let’s not pretend you are any more informed about this vaccine than you are any other “highly tested” one. You have no scientific or educated reasoning here and you’re just letting your ego get in the way of things. It’s ok. I do that too. But the quicker you realize you’re caught up in FUD mostly planted by morons and Russian and Chinese state-sponsored democracy dividers the better your life will be.
- qwerty456127 5y ago
  > No, you just don’t want to get vaccinated. Everything else is window dressing around that. And I have no rational reason to, except artificial reasons created by most of governments. > The virus will mutate and continue to do so. Eventually your immunity will weaken - will you get the vaccine then? My immune system seems doing great job defending me from all the mutations which already took place. So I don't want to interfere, teaching it how to do the job it seems doing so great and targeting it against specific mutations the vaccine is supposed to help with. I trust my immune system more than I trust whatever the vaccine does. I'm afraid the latter may actually weaken my immunity against the mutations to come. This, together with being pushed to vaccinate, are why I don't want to. I never ever resisted any vaccine before and was always willing to get vaccinated against everything. > You have no scientific or educated reasoning here and you’re just letting your ego get in the way of things. It’s ok. I do that too. I always reasoned the naturally acquired immunity is better than that given by the vaccine and AFAIK this has been scientifically proven already. > But the quicker you realize you’re caught up in FUD mostly planted by morons and Russian and Chinese state-sponsored democracy dividers But I've never been interested in what do they say. Only in what humble amount of science I know + my own experience + logical reasoning/speculation. Plus the natural instinct to resist whenever pushed.
  - IggleSniggle 5y ago
    > I trust my immune system more than I trust whatever the vaccine does Uhh…this is what a vaccine does. It shows your immune system what a disease looks like, lets it do it’s thing to discover a solution…so that it has a hashmap to a solution ready to go rather than than needing to iterate over the entire database and apply iterative mutations to the best solutions in order to find a successful match. What in the world do you think a vaccine is? It’s letting your immune system do it’s thing. It’s trusting your immune system to know what to do! What in the world do you think a vaccine is? Vaccine-based immunity is natural immunity.
    - qwerty456127 5y ago
      > It shows your immune system what a disease looks like But it knows! Why should I now train it on a picture if there are live viruses of all the mutations all over around which I have already encountered countless times and keep encountering every day? I would certainly vaccinate if I were going to an infected place from a place where there is no such virus. Or if the disease was widespread somewhere else and coming to my place while there already was a vaccine. But I have been living emerged deep in the infection intensively for over 2 years already! I have never even decreased (even increased actually, meeting many new people every day, and nobody wears masks in business) my social interactions, just tested regularly and wore a mask in public transport. I even drank from the same cup with an sick and positive girl once, then self-isolated for some days, tested regularly (incl. in-lab PCR) - all negative, no sickness. And even lab tests objectively show I have been maintaining high level of antibodies for already a year (which suggests they are renewing given regular contact). How can we possibly suspect my immune system still has not enough clue and an instruction can be better than what it already knows? > apply iterative mutations to the best solutions in order to find a successful match. But I apparently applied very successful matches to every mutation! > What in the world do you think a vaccine is? Vaccine-based immunity is natural immunity. To something specific, more precisely - a specific model (not even a real object) isn't it?
      - ericmay 5y ago
        > But it knows! Why should I now train it on a picture if there are live viruses of all the mutations all over around which I have already encountered countless times and keep encountering every day? Ok so when are you going to get a booster shot or your first COVID shot? Or are you planning on getting the disease again and letting it run its course? Any why would you treat this vaccine any different than the flu vaccine or w/e? It makes absolutely no sense. If you don't understand the science, how are you making informed decisions? > nobody wears masks in business False? Who cares? I'm in business and wear a mask all the time when meeting with clients if we even meet on-site. > which suggests they are renewing given regular contact Which also suggests you are getting the virus again and giving it to people you interact with who may now be getting COVID-19 for the first time. You're literally perpetuating the disease! But hey screw everybody else right? Those who might not be able to get the vaccine, like, oh idk, my nephew? Or maybe kids who BTW aren't immune from getting sick. Your mentality around this is selfish and bizarre. > How can we possibly suspect my immune system still has not enough clue and an instruction can be better than what it already knows? The person you are replying to was discussing your complete misunderstanding of how vaccines work. Not commenting on naturally acquired immunity, which BTW doesn't mean you're 100% immune because that's now how things work.
gambiting 5y ago
>>and don't want to get vaccinated with the fastest-baked (least tested) vaccine But....why. Every single study shows that it's safe. Hundreds of millions of people have been vaccinated so far without issues. And reading up on the method of delivery makes me very confident in having it. Just because it's the fastest developed vaccine in history(which is not true btw, but whatever, let's roll with that argument if you wish)? Why would that be an argument against it rather than the actual data that shows whether its safe or not?
- qwerty456127 5y ago
  Because why should I inject something I don't really need (because I'm immune already)? Everybody around pushing me to makes me feel exactly like I shouldn't.
  - gambiting 5y ago
    But that's two different arguments. Either you are arguing that you don't want to get vaccinated because the vaccine has been developed quickly(in which case I'm going back to my original question - why?), or you just don't think you need it. For the latter - indeed there are countries where proof of having been through Covid recently( <6 months) is just as good as having been vaccinated, you can participate in all activities.
    - qwerty456127 5y ago
      > But that's two different arguments. Sure, there is a number of arguments. > indeed there are countries where proof of having been through Covid recently( <6 months) is just as good as having been vaccinated, you can participate in all activities. And this is what makes me angry as I can see even less logic in this. Why should I prove I had covid, let alone in any specific moment of time? I obviously had it because I have the antibodies. I test for the antibodies every some months and they don't decrease (for a year already). Of course I have no other proof - I just had some slightly running nose (which was even supposed to be an anti-symptom) a day a year ago, tested for antibodies about 2 month after and found out I have them. And I still have them and have been feeling great all the time except one day in spring when I had high temperature but tested negative a number of times that days and next days. E.g. Austria doesn't require you to prove you have been sick - they just look at the actual antibodies and this seems the only logical objective measure to me.

ericmay 5y ago

No, you just don’t want to get vaccinated. Everything else is window dressing around that. The virus will mutate and continue to do so. Eventually your immunity will weaken - will you get the vaccine then? Doubt it. You’ll make up another excuse then instead. And let’s not pretend you are any more informed about this vaccine than you are any other “highly tested” one. You have no scientific or educated reasoning here and you’re just letting your ego get in the way of things. It’s ok. I do that too. But the quicker you realize you’re caught up in FUD mostly planted by morons and Russian and Chinese state-sponsored democracy dividers the better your life will be.

qwerty456127 5y ago
> No, you just don’t want to get vaccinated. Everything else is window dressing around that. And I have no rational reason to, except artificial reasons created by most of governments. > The virus will mutate and continue to do so. Eventually your immunity will weaken - will you get the vaccine then? My immune system seems doing great job defending me from all the mutations which already took place. So I don't want to interfere, teaching it how to do the job it seems doing so great and targeting it against specific mutations the vaccine is supposed to help with. I trust my immune system more than I trust whatever the vaccine does. I'm afraid the latter may actually weaken my immunity against the mutations to come. This, together with being pushed to vaccinate, are why I don't want to. I never ever resisted any vaccine before and was always willing to get vaccinated against everything. > You have no scientific or educated reasoning here and you’re just letting your ego get in the way of things. It’s ok. I do that too. I always reasoned the naturally acquired immunity is better than that given by the vaccine and AFAIK this has been scientifically proven already. > But the quicker you realize you’re caught up in FUD mostly planted by morons and Russian and Chinese state-sponsored democracy dividers But I've never been interested in what do they say. Only in what humble amount of science I know + my own experience + logical reasoning/speculation. Plus the natural instinct to resist whenever pushed.
- IggleSniggle 5y ago
  > I trust my immune system more than I trust whatever the vaccine does Uhh…this is what a vaccine does. It shows your immune system what a disease looks like, lets it do it’s thing to discover a solution…so that it has a hashmap to a solution ready to go rather than than needing to iterate over the entire database and apply iterative mutations to the best solutions in order to find a successful match. What in the world do you think a vaccine is? It’s letting your immune system do it’s thing. It’s trusting your immune system to know what to do! What in the world do you think a vaccine is? Vaccine-based immunity is natural immunity.
  - qwerty456127 5y ago
    > It shows your immune system what a disease looks like But it knows! Why should I now train it on a picture if there are live viruses of all the mutations all over around which I have already encountered countless times and keep encountering every day? I would certainly vaccinate if I were going to an infected place from a place where there is no such virus. Or if the disease was widespread somewhere else and coming to my place while there already was a vaccine. But I have been living emerged deep in the infection intensively for over 2 years already! I have never even decreased (even increased actually, meeting many new people every day, and nobody wears masks in business) my social interactions, just tested regularly and wore a mask in public transport. I even drank from the same cup with an sick and positive girl once, then self-isolated for some days, tested regularly (incl. in-lab PCR) - all negative, no sickness. And even lab tests objectively show I have been maintaining high level of antibodies for already a year (which suggests they are renewing given regular contact). How can we possibly suspect my immune system still has not enough clue and an instruction can be better than what it already knows? > apply iterative mutations to the best solutions in order to find a successful match. But I apparently applied very successful matches to every mutation! > What in the world do you think a vaccine is? Vaccine-based immunity is natural immunity. To something specific, more precisely - a specific model (not even a real object) isn't it?
    - ericmay 5y ago
      > But it knows! Why should I now train it on a picture if there are live viruses of all the mutations all over around which I have already encountered countless times and keep encountering every day? Ok so when are you going to get a booster shot or your first COVID shot? Or are you planning on getting the disease again and letting it run its course? Any why would you treat this vaccine any different than the flu vaccine or w/e? It makes absolutely no sense. If you don't understand the science, how are you making informed decisions? > nobody wears masks in business False? Who cares? I'm in business and wear a mask all the time when meeting with clients if we even meet on-site. > which suggests they are renewing given regular contact Which also suggests you are getting the virus again and giving it to people you interact with who may now be getting COVID-19 for the first time. You're literally perpetuating the disease! But hey screw everybody else right? Those who might not be able to get the vaccine, like, oh idk, my nephew? Or maybe kids who BTW aren't immune from getting sick. Your mentality around this is selfish and bizarre. > How can we possibly suspect my immune system still has not enough clue and an instruction can be better than what it already knows? The person you are replying to was discussing your complete misunderstanding of how vaccines work. Not commenting on naturally acquired immunity, which BTW doesn't mean you're 100% immune because that's now how things work.

gambiting 5y ago

>>and don't want to get vaccinated with the fastest-baked (least tested) vaccine But....why. Every single study shows that it's safe. Hundreds of millions of people have been vaccinated so far without issues. And reading up on the method of delivery makes me very confident in having it. Just because it's the fastest developed vaccine in history(which is not true btw, but whatever, let's roll with that argument if you wish)? Why would that be an argument against it rather than the actual data that shows whether its safe or not?

qwerty456127 5y ago
Because why should I inject something I don't really need (because I'm immune already)? Everybody around pushing me to makes me feel exactly like I shouldn't.
- gambiting 5y ago
  But that's two different arguments. Either you are arguing that you don't want to get vaccinated because the vaccine has been developed quickly(in which case I'm going back to my original question - why?), or you just don't think you need it. For the latter - indeed there are countries where proof of having been through Covid recently( <6 months) is just as good as having been vaccinated, you can participate in all activities.
  - qwerty456127 5y ago
    > But that's two different arguments. Sure, there is a number of arguments. > indeed there are countries where proof of having been through Covid recently( <6 months) is just as good as having been vaccinated, you can participate in all activities. And this is what makes me angry as I can see even less logic in this. Why should I prove I had covid, let alone in any specific moment of time? I obviously had it because I have the antibodies. I test for the antibodies every some months and they don't decrease (for a year already). Of course I have no other proof - I just had some slightly running nose (which was even supposed to be an anti-symptom) a day a year ago, tested for antibodies about 2 month after and found out I have them. And I still have them and have been feeling great all the time except one day in spring when I had high temperature but tested negative a number of times that days and next days. E.g. Austria doesn't require you to prove you have been sick - they just look at the actual antibodies and this seems the only logical objective measure to me.