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Yea but not all the quotas are the same. Like this is a very specific example of a fishing quota, not an easily enforcible quota like ">12% black students enrol

• tiagod 5y ago
  Is it that easily enforceable though? Where do you draw the line between black and non-black? Appearance? Genetics? Culture?
  • Ekaros 5y ago
    Also should you treat African-Americans and more recent Africans differently? What about other aspects like refugees vs professional migrants? As there is clear differences between these groups.
    • true_religion 5y ago
      If your goal is reparation then you should only give special treatment to the descendants of people who were harmed in the past. I'd your goal is diversity or simply to "stick it" to the racists then anyone with dark skin is a good choice.
      • newswasboring 5y ago
        Third choice may be to just help an underprivileged class? Even non descendants of slaves have to go through the same BS as descendants of slaves for example. It's not about sticking it to racists, but about protecting a community.
        • true_religion 5y ago
          Initially, I was just answering the question by playing devils' advocate but I've been drawn into this now. It may be the case that someone will support quota systems' as a form of charity to a particular 'community' but people from other countries don't naturally become part of the same 'community' unless they're forced to be. It's only in the eyes of others that people with different backgrounds are lumped together, merely from having similar skin colors or accents. For example, Latvians, Russians, and the British all share the same skin tone but it'd be a real stretch to say they're all part of a single unified community and they're at least all on the same continent. And even as immigrants they still retain a measure of pride, which brings me to my next point... In my experience, you'd be hard pressed to get a Nigerian or Ghanian to admit that they're part of an underprivileged class. You'd have an even harder time getting them to say 'we are one people'; the rivalry between the two nations is very strong despite being two English speaking countries within a sea of Francophones. Immigrants from those countries, at least, view themselves pretty highly which is born out in high-test scores, high incomes, and general life success. And although the children of some will integrate fully into the existing black US community, for the most part the older generation just views native African-Americans as foreigners. It'd be better to support this on the grounds of diversity since then you can narrowly target smaller immigrant communities (e.g. Lesothans), or pick out particular groups for charitable aide (e.g. Rwandans)
  • alecst 5y ago
    You have me thinking. Has drawing such a line ever created a problem in the past 50 years?
• mothsonasloth 5y ago
  I mentioned the conclusion, quotas are useless. The example of fishing and natural phenomena does not rule it out from being an equivalent to the natural phenomena that would happen enforcing a quota on Nobel Peace prizes. "Oh we don't have enough Asian Laureattes in Science, lets reclassify South Asian people in the same group. Problem solved"
• beachy 5y ago
  > If Fisherman A overcatches and splits with Fisherman B who undercatches, that is the same as if they both caught the correct amount. Most likely the quotas were set on the basis that they wouldn't always be filled. If lots of fishermen are colluding to always take their full quota then sooner or later quotas must come down.