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The Catholic priesthood has a 100% quota for men. You want to make that illegal, right? There's no need to pinpoint women in high position now. Historically th

The Catholic priesthood has a 100% quota for men. You want to make that illegal, right? There's no need to pinpoint women in high position now. Historically there was a strong bias to choose men instead of equally qualified women. You should look at (eg) every male doctor hired in the 1950s and 1960s as not really achieving that position through their own merit. Your ire extends, I presume, towards legacy preference at colleges. Those students should certainly be seen as a "quota-thing", not achieving that position by themselves. Jo Freeman's classic essay "The Tyranny of Stuctureless" points out that when there is no formal structure, informal structures arise, masking the power of elites. If there are informal quotas - eg, systemic cultural biases [1] - then a solution may be to switch to formal quotas. [1] The stereotype of a scientist is 'white males wearing lab coats, eyeglasses, with facial hair, and an eccentric appearance'. https://www.hindawi.com/journals/edri/2019/6324704/ https://www.hindawi.com/journals/edri/2019/6324704/ Someone who fits the stereotype is more likely to be seen as and accepted as a scientist, and not have to deal with comments like "you can't be a scientist - you're too pretty!"

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nix23 5y ago
> The Catholic priesthood has a 100% quota for men. You want to make that illegal, right? If i think about an open society, the catholic church is not the first thing that comes to my mind. Also there is no Government who FORCES them to have just men. If you have a Man-Cave(Church) where "no woman's" have access, that's absolutely your right...crazy but your decision. NOT okay is, that the Government forces you to have a quota, and btw it's always one-sided, more Woman's in Management for example, but no Quota for Men's in...lets say gender study's. >>To my sibling: It's not Rome but the Vatican, the Vatican IS the Church, and please stop comparing a free and open society with that crazy construct called "Roman Catholic Church", where raping children's are called a "trade secret" and "a internal affair". >>>>To the other sibling: Now you see the problem when the state try's to implement artificial quotas for something that should not be regulated on the basis of gender or ethnicity. >The Nobel Foundation is a private institution. Your comment sounded like you want it to be illegal for a private foundation to have quotas in prize giving. Yes absolutely, since it's racist and bigoted, how should the quote for whites be for the "Royal Society Africa Prize"?
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > Also there is no Government who FORCES them to have just men. The entity that forces the various particular Churches in communion with Rome to have just men in the priesthood is also the paramount authority of a state, so in a very real sense there is a government that forces them to do that.
- eesmith 5y ago
  What do you actually mean by "It should be illegal to have quotas for gender"? The Nobel Foundation is a private institution. Your comment sounded like you want it to be illegal for a private foundation to have quotas in prize giving. But you're okay letting an organization like the Catholic Church have a quota system? I can't figure out what your proposed law would be. > btw it's always one-sided No, it isn't. "Is it time for male quotas in the health sciences?" - https://kifinfo.no/en/2016/05/it-time-male-quotas-health-sciences https://kifinfo.no/en/2016/05/it-time-male-quotas-health-sci... "Despite quotas, gender stereotypes are still preventing men from becoming nurses" - https://kathmandupost.com/national/2020/03/16/despite-quotas-gender-stereotypes-are-still-preventing-men-from-becoming-nurses https://kathmandupost.com/national/2020/03/16/despite-quotas... "The percentage of male primary school teachers in Australia has decreased ... Education authorities have responded to this with recruitment-focused initiatives, such as scholarships and quota systems." - https://theconversation.com/primary-schools-are-losing-more-and-more-male-teachers-so-how-can-we-retain-them-82017 https://theconversation.com/primary-schools-are-losing-more-...

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nix23 5y ago

> The Catholic priesthood has a 100% quota for men. You want to make that illegal, right? If i think about an open society, the catholic church is not the first thing that comes to my mind. Also there is no Government who FORCES them to have just men. If you have a Man-Cave(Church) where "no woman's" have access, that's absolutely your right...crazy but your decision. NOT okay is, that the Government forces you to have a quota, and btw it's always one-sided, more Woman's in Management for example, but no Quota for Men's in...lets say gender study's. >>To my sibling: It's not Rome but the Vatican, the Vatican IS the Church, and please stop comparing a free and open society with that crazy construct called "Roman Catholic Church", where raping children's are called a "trade secret" and "a internal affair". >>>>To the other sibling: Now you see the problem when the state try's to implement artificial quotas for something that should not be regulated on the basis of gender or ethnicity. >The Nobel Foundation is a private institution. Your comment sounded like you want it to be illegal for a private foundation to have quotas in prize giving. Yes absolutely, since it's racist and bigoted, how should the quote for whites be for the "Royal Society Africa Prize"?

dragonwriter 5y ago
> Also there is no Government who FORCES them to have just men. The entity that forces the various particular Churches in communion with Rome to have just men in the priesthood is also the paramount authority of a state, so in a very real sense there is a government that forces them to do that.
eesmith 5y ago
What do you actually mean by "It should be illegal to have quotas for gender"? The Nobel Foundation is a private institution. Your comment sounded like you want it to be illegal for a private foundation to have quotas in prize giving. But you're okay letting an organization like the Catholic Church have a quota system? I can't figure out what your proposed law would be. > btw it's always one-sided No, it isn't. "Is it time for male quotas in the health sciences?" - https://kifinfo.no/en/2016/05/it-time-male-quotas-health-sciences https://kifinfo.no/en/2016/05/it-time-male-quotas-health-sci... "Despite quotas, gender stereotypes are still preventing men from becoming nurses" - https://kathmandupost.com/national/2020/03/16/despite-quotas-gender-stereotypes-are-still-preventing-men-from-becoming-nurses https://kathmandupost.com/national/2020/03/16/despite-quotas... "The percentage of male primary school teachers in Australia has decreased ... Education authorities have responded to this with recruitment-focused initiatives, such as scholarships and quota systems." - https://theconversation.com/primary-schools-are-losing-more-and-more-male-teachers-so-how-can-we-retain-them-82017 https://theconversation.com/primary-schools-are-losing-more-...