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> The longer you are in the industry, the less time you spend googling stuff. Only if you stay in your comfort zone. Memorising all the symbols in Framework X

> The longer you are in the industry, the less time you spend googling stuff. Only if you stay in your comfort zone. Memorising all the symbols in Framework X isn't going to help when you have to use Framework Y.

bob1029 5y ago
Mostly disagree - With basic background knowledge of the overall ecosystem, problem domain & tooling, figuring out a new framework or API is as simple as newing-up each type and exploring the public interface via something like intellisense. I can learn some dependency faster by throwing it into a blank unit test project than I can by reading over the (likely outdated) documentation.
- da39a3ee 5y ago
  > I can learn some dependency faster by throwing it into a blank unit test project than I can by reading over the (likely outdated) documentation. Does your greater experience also come with the emotional intelligence that allows you to see how arrogant that sounds?
  - bob1029 5y ago
    > Does your greater experience also come with the emotional intelligence that allows you to see how arrogant that sounds? How something sounds is largely a function of the person listening to the thing.
    - da39a3ee 5y ago
      In fact, the primary determinant of how X sounds to person A is the nature of X; otherwise we would be unable to use data to make inferences about the nature of our world.
  - Tanjreeve 5y ago
    I'm definitely not some wizened master but I'd also agree with the statement. Good updated fully reflective of use documentation is not the majority of libraries and even the ones that do manage to do a good job often miss some critical change till someone raises an issue or a PR.
- zarzavat 5y ago
  Intellisense will find you a solution but it won't find you the solution. I have learned to Google things even when I think I know the answer and I've done it that way many times before, because often there's a better way that I've been missing out on all this time.
  - bob1029 5y ago
    > Intellisense will find you a solution but it won't find you the solution. Yes, and what is the penalty for finding a bad solution and then having to try another one? For me, the cost is only my time. My customers don't see any of these fuckups because they only live on my computer until I get things sorted.
garren 5y ago
Disagree. If you’re not using a Framework X or Y, suddenly SO becomes a lot less interesting. This doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re staying in you comfort zone. As an aside, totally subjective, but Google’s results have been degrading for a while - it’s not that you won’t find what you’re looking for, but it’ll often take a bit longer. Better resources exist.
raydev 5y ago
A few people have already disagreed, but I want to add that in some areas the more you specialize, the more unique your work. "Memorizing new framework" is fully within my comfort zone, it's just API surface. Finding useful information to actually build those frameworks is much tougher, and only gets tougher the deeper you go. StackOverflow is very much suited for newcomers and engineers working at the top of the stack. My work became harder and thus less googleable (which bums me out, honestly).
ChrisRR 5y ago
I disagree. Even if you make a complete left turn and only work on something tangentially related, you still likely have a wealth of knowledge that you can build on. I doubt you're going to make many moves in your career where you 100% start from scratch

bob1029 5y ago

Mostly disagree - With basic background knowledge of the overall ecosystem, problem domain & tooling, figuring out a new framework or API is as simple as newing-up each type and exploring the public interface via something like intellisense. I can learn some dependency faster by throwing it into a blank unit test project than I can by reading over the (likely outdated) documentation.

da39a3ee 5y ago
> I can learn some dependency faster by throwing it into a blank unit test project than I can by reading over the (likely outdated) documentation. Does your greater experience also come with the emotional intelligence that allows you to see how arrogant that sounds?
- bob1029 5y ago
  > Does your greater experience also come with the emotional intelligence that allows you to see how arrogant that sounds? How something sounds is largely a function of the person listening to the thing.
  - da39a3ee 5y ago
    In fact, the primary determinant of how X sounds to person A is the nature of X; otherwise we would be unable to use data to make inferences about the nature of our world.
- Tanjreeve 5y ago
  I'm definitely not some wizened master but I'd also agree with the statement. Good updated fully reflective of use documentation is not the majority of libraries and even the ones that do manage to do a good job often miss some critical change till someone raises an issue or a PR.
zarzavat 5y ago
Intellisense will find you a solution but it won't find you the solution. I have learned to Google things even when I think I know the answer and I've done it that way many times before, because often there's a better way that I've been missing out on all this time.
- bob1029 5y ago
  > Intellisense will find you a solution but it won't find you the solution. Yes, and what is the penalty for finding a bad solution and then having to try another one? For me, the cost is only my time. My customers don't see any of these fuckups because they only live on my computer until I get things sorted.

garren 5y ago

Disagree. If you’re not using a Framework X or Y, suddenly SO becomes a lot less interesting. This doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re staying in you comfort zone. As an aside, totally subjective, but Google’s results have been degrading for a while - it’s not that you won’t find what you’re looking for, but it’ll often take a bit longer. Better resources exist.

raydev 5y ago

A few people have already disagreed, but I want to add that in some areas the more you specialize, the more unique your work. "Memorizing new framework" is fully within my comfort zone, it's just API surface. Finding useful information to actually build those frameworks is much tougher, and only gets tougher the deeper you go. StackOverflow is very much suited for newcomers and engineers working at the top of the stack. My work became harder and thus less googleable (which bums me out, honestly).

ChrisRR 5y ago

I disagree. Even if you make a complete left turn and only work on something tangentially related, you still likely have a wealth of knowledge that you can build on. I doubt you're going to make many moves in your career where you 100% start from scratch