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Moves like this just make no sense to me. Assuming the governor isn't an anti-vax conspiracy theorist or a "covid is fake" denialist, what possible reason could

Moves like this just make no sense to me. Assuming the governor isn't an anti-vax conspiracy theorist or a "covid is fake" denialist, what possible reason could there be for preventing private businesses from mandating vaccination? Even if you don't believe the state should enact mandates, these are private businesses. If you want to support your state business, what better way to help than by getting everyone healthy, working and comfortable going out again?

xboxnolifes 5y ago
> what possible reason could there be for preventing private businesses from mandating vaccination Medical privacy.
richardatlarge 5y ago
Yes, seems to be counter to the ideology of keeping government out of the private sector
rytcio 5y ago
Nothing will be enough to make people comfortable again. A year of shut down economy and non-stop 24/7 fear porn in MSM have traumatized people for at least a decade
- pupppet 5y ago
  How is it fear porn when literally hundreds of thousands of Americans have died from it.
  - qwerty456127 5y ago
    Because no matter how many die, we should not fear, only reason. Fear is the mind killer. Fear leads to the dark side of the force.
  - dukeofdoom 5y ago
    Most people that don't watch TV don't believe those numbers. The reason is that the overall yearly death rate is within regular variability.
  - angelzen 5y ago
    Perhaps it's something related to aging. After a certain point in life you make peace with the idea that sooner or later everybody dies. To put covid in perspective, we can calculate the relative risk of covid death compared to risk of death from all other causes, by age group. The relative risk is under 15% for adults and under 3% for children. While this is nothing to sneeze at, it is not as apocalyptic as the click-hungry (social) media makes it to be. Yet another looming health risk, among high blood pressure, cholesterol, cancer, diabetes, Alzheimer, etc. raw data: https://data.cdc.gov/resource/3apk-4u4f.csv https://data.cdc.gov/resource/3apk-4u4f.csv
    - pupppet 5y ago
      You could make peace with the possibility of dying of Covid, or you know, just get the vaccine.
      - pupppet 5y ago
        Aaand voted down to oblivion. Pretty embarrassing the anti-vax crowd is so prominent on HN.
      - angelzen 5y ago
        I've got the vaccine, thanks for your interest in my personal health choices. I haven't seen evidence that it will hold up on a 5 year horizon, perhaps you have a time machine?
        pupppet 5y ago
        It's not your personal health choice when those refusing the vaccine are filling hospitals and pushing others out. And sorry no time machine, but I choose to trust doctors anyway.
        angelzen 5y ago
        Doctors don't have a time machine either. We are all engaging in the age old process that goes under the name of "faith". And there is nothing wrong with it!
angelzen 5y ago
> Abbott, who was previously vaccinated and also later tested positive for COVID-19, noted in his order that "vaccines are strongly encouraged for those eligible to receive one, but must always be voluntary for Texans." FWIW, vaccine mandates don't make sense to me. The vaccine benefits should speak for themselves.
- jkubicek 5y ago
  FWIW, drunk driving laws don't make sense to me. The benefits of sober driving should speak for themselves.
  - angelzen 5y ago
    Drunk driving laws are not the Prohibition. They merely say don't drive if you drank too much alcohol. If only there were something that someone could do if getting sick... hmmm... like stay at home?
- kaczordon 5y ago
  Vaccine mandates don't make sense since they don't allow for the concept of natural immunity. The CDC allows you to show proof of previous infection for measles instead of getting vaccinated. https://www.cdc.gov/measles/hcp/index.html#immunity https://www.cdc.gov/measles/hcp/index.html#immunity
  - qwerty456127 5y ago
    Proofs of previous infection to be required to shown don't make much sense either. Antibodies to be found in the blood do.
JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> Moves like this just make no sense to me It's political theatre. Federal rules mandating vaccines among employers with more than 100 employees are going into effect [1]. And the Constitutionality of vaccine mandates was settled when Kaiser Wilhelm was King of Prussia [2]. That federal law supersedes this ban. The Governor knows that. The Texas elite know that. Texan employers know that. A vocal minority of voters for whom this has become their single issue do not know that. If this keeps them happy, it's a win-win. [1] https://www.foley.com/en/insights/publications/2021/09/prepare-your-business-comply-osha-vaccine-mandate https://www.foley.com/en/insights/publications/2021/09/prepa... [2] https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/197/11/ https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/197/11/
- 29083011397778 5y ago
  > A vocal minority of voters for whom this has become their single issue do not know that I'm sure this won't foster distrust in the system, as people try to argue why they can't be fired for not being vaccinated as they are actively walked out. Less sarcastically, undermining people's faith in the system and their ability to keep up with what's legal, what's not, and who's actually making the rules seems likely to dig America deeper into the divide that's been happening for many years now.
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- dukeofdoom 5y ago
  1) The previous pandemics had far greater than 1% mortality rate 2) The previous vaccines had much longer development, and years of safety testing. 3) The previous vaccines have far fewer VAERS reports for side effects. 4) Previous vaccines have longer lasting immunity and do not require frequent booster shots
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xboxnolifes 5y ago

> what possible reason could there be for preventing private businesses from mandating vaccination Medical privacy.

richardatlarge 5y ago

Yes, seems to be counter to the ideology of keeping government out of the private sector

rytcio 5y ago

Nothing will be enough to make people comfortable again. A year of shut down economy and non-stop 24/7 fear porn in MSM have traumatized people for at least a decade

pupppet 5y ago
How is it fear porn when literally hundreds of thousands of Americans have died from it.
- qwerty456127 5y ago
  Because no matter how many die, we should not fear, only reason. Fear is the mind killer. Fear leads to the dark side of the force.
- dukeofdoom 5y ago
  Most people that don't watch TV don't believe those numbers. The reason is that the overall yearly death rate is within regular variability.
- angelzen 5y ago
  Perhaps it's something related to aging. After a certain point in life you make peace with the idea that sooner or later everybody dies. To put covid in perspective, we can calculate the relative risk of covid death compared to risk of death from all other causes, by age group. The relative risk is under 15% for adults and under 3% for children. While this is nothing to sneeze at, it is not as apocalyptic as the click-hungry (social) media makes it to be. Yet another looming health risk, among high blood pressure, cholesterol, cancer, diabetes, Alzheimer, etc. raw data: https://data.cdc.gov/resource/3apk-4u4f.csv https://data.cdc.gov/resource/3apk-4u4f.csv
  - pupppet 5y ago
    You could make peace with the possibility of dying of Covid, or you know, just get the vaccine.
    - pupppet 5y ago
      Aaand voted down to oblivion. Pretty embarrassing the anti-vax crowd is so prominent on HN.
    - angelzen 5y ago
      I've got the vaccine, thanks for your interest in my personal health choices. I haven't seen evidence that it will hold up on a 5 year horizon, perhaps you have a time machine?
      - pupppet 5y ago
        It's not your personal health choice when those refusing the vaccine are filling hospitals and pushing others out. And sorry no time machine, but I choose to trust doctors anyway.
        angelzen 5y ago
        Doctors don't have a time machine either. We are all engaging in the age old process that goes under the name of "faith". And there is nothing wrong with it!

angelzen 5y ago

> Abbott, who was previously vaccinated and also later tested positive for COVID-19, noted in his order that "vaccines are strongly encouraged for those eligible to receive one, but must always be voluntary for Texans." FWIW, vaccine mandates don't make sense to me. The vaccine benefits should speak for themselves.

jkubicek 5y ago
FWIW, drunk driving laws don't make sense to me. The benefits of sober driving should speak for themselves.
- angelzen 5y ago
  Drunk driving laws are not the Prohibition. They merely say don't drive if you drank too much alcohol. If only there were something that someone could do if getting sick... hmmm... like stay at home?
kaczordon 5y ago
Vaccine mandates don't make sense since they don't allow for the concept of natural immunity. The CDC allows you to show proof of previous infection for measles instead of getting vaccinated. https://www.cdc.gov/measles/hcp/index.html#immunity https://www.cdc.gov/measles/hcp/index.html#immunity
- qwerty456127 5y ago
  Proofs of previous infection to be required to shown don't make much sense either. Antibodies to be found in the blood do.

JumpCrisscross 5y ago

> Moves like this just make no sense to me It's political theatre. Federal rules mandating vaccines among employers with more than 100 employees are going into effect [1]. And the Constitutionality of vaccine mandates was settled when Kaiser Wilhelm was King of Prussia [2]. That federal law supersedes this ban. The Governor knows that. The Texas elite know that. Texan employers know that. A vocal minority of voters for whom this has become their single issue do not know that. If this keeps them happy, it's a win-win. [1] https://www.foley.com/en/insights/publications/2021/09/prepare-your-business-comply-osha-vaccine-mandate https://www.foley.com/en/insights/publications/2021/09/prepa... [2] https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/197/11/ https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/197/11/

29083011397778 5y ago
> A vocal minority of voters for whom this has become their single issue do not know that I'm sure this won't foster distrust in the system, as people try to argue why they can't be fired for not being vaccinated as they are actively walked out. Less sarcastically, undermining people's faith in the system and their ability to keep up with what's legal, what's not, and who's actually making the rules seems likely to dig America deeper into the divide that's been happening for many years now.
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dukeofdoom 5y ago
1) The previous pandemics had far greater than 1% mortality rate 2) The previous vaccines had much longer development, and years of safety testing. 3) The previous vaccines have far fewer VAERS reports for side effects. 4) Previous vaccines have longer lasting immunity and do not require frequent booster shots
- 5y ago