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The Closer has a 97% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes, indicating universal acclaim among real people (not Twitter activists and "critics"). Twitter remains i

by 0xy 5y ago

The Closer has a 97% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes, indicating universal acclaim among real people (not Twitter activists and "critics"). Twitter remains in the status of "not real life". The screeching of rabid activists on Twitter who can't take a joke without being deeply offended is irrelevant to public discourse. Everyone knows they're ridiculous and dangerous (censoring comedy strips away the most important human rights). Nobody has a right to not be offended.

Natsu 5y ago
Trends on Twitter can be faked and knowing how much of early social media growth relied on literally faking engagement, I treat it all as suspect.
deanCommie 5y ago
> The Closer has a 97% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes, indicating universal acclaim among real people These are usually gamed by culture warriors - positively and negatively. They are virtue signalling support not commenting on the quality of the work. I say this as someone who is A) hugely supportive of trans rights, B) thought the special is not worthy of the vitriol it is getting - though it surely does have a lot of blind spots, and C) pretty mediocre as far as standup comedy specials go. I'm a huge Dave Chapelle fan. I've watched and re-watched all of his specials up to now. But Sticks and Stones and The Closer are both multiple notches below his usual high standards. They will not be remembered positively as far as having anything worthwhile to say about society or being funny.
speeddemon 5y ago
There are some comedians who, upon hearing that someone is offended by one of their jokes, would have the courage to ask why, and listen deeply to the answer. They would then take the time to revise that joke, and make it better so that it can be enjoyed by the maximum number of people. There are some other comedians who would decide to make the joke as cruel as possible and start insulting people who get offended. The joke then becomes about how much they can attack those people and make them part of the outgroup. Those people are probably permanently lost as fans unless the comedian decides to change their methods. For some reason this conversation frequently happens in terms of "public discourse" and "rights" but it all seems to be centered around a very small group of people, and nobody really wants to talk about the series of individual actions that led to this point.

by 0xy 5y ago

Natsu 5y ago

Trends on Twitter can be faked and knowing how much of early social media growth relied on literally faking engagement, I treat it all as suspect.

deanCommie 5y ago

> The Closer has a 97% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes, indicating universal acclaim among real people These are usually gamed by culture warriors - positively and negatively. They are virtue signalling support not commenting on the quality of the work. I say this as someone who is A) hugely supportive of trans rights, B) thought the special is not worthy of the vitriol it is getting - though it surely does have a lot of blind spots, and C) pretty mediocre as far as standup comedy specials go. I'm a huge Dave Chapelle fan. I've watched and re-watched all of his specials up to now. But Sticks and Stones and The Closer are both multiple notches below his usual high standards. They will not be remembered positively as far as having anything worthwhile to say about society or being funny.

speeddemon 5y ago

There are some comedians who, upon hearing that someone is offended by one of their jokes, would have the courage to ask why, and listen deeply to the answer. They would then take the time to revise that joke, and make it better so that it can be enjoyed by the maximum number of people. There are some other comedians who would decide to make the joke as cruel as possible and start insulting people who get offended. The joke then becomes about how much they can attack those people and make them part of the outgroup. Those people are probably permanently lost as fans unless the comedian decides to change their methods. For some reason this conversation frequently happens in terms of "public discourse" and "rights" but it all seems to be centered around a very small group of people, and nobody really wants to talk about the series of individual actions that led to this point.