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I know people who go so far the other way. They don't vote because they think it's all rigged. They don't follow politics so they think all the parties are the

I know people who go so far the other way. They don't vote because they think it's all rigged. They don't follow politics so they think all the parties are the same. It's moronic. I try to explain but I'm met with looks like _I'm_ the moron.

waddlesworth 5y ago
The "both parties are the same" thing is a meme in some more engaged circles, because it's so obviously false to anyone paying attention. It really shouldn't be surprising that the incumbent party benefits from this attitude, yet I get the same look from likely just as many people.
brokenmachine 5y ago
Which privacy-respecting party do you vote for?
- justinclift 5y ago
  https://reason.org.au https://reason.org.au
- 0xdeadb00f 5y ago
  Both/most parties are complicit in privacy invasions. I just assume whoever I vote for will invade my privacy. So I don't vote based on that. I vote based on the other remaining factors that they _do_ differ on.
  - bobbytit 5y ago
    I do not think you are in any position to be calling anyone else a moron.
    - 0xdeadb00f 5y ago
      How about explain why you disagree? Instead of saying shit like that? Also I never called anyone a moron outright. There is more to a political party than their stance on a single issue. If you can't see that then you are a moron. And yes, I did just call you that, outright.
      - bobbytit 5y ago
        What you are describing is a fake democracy. You are given the choice between two cheeks of the same arse. Don't be too quick to confuse stupidity with a difference of opinion.
        0xdeadb00f 5y ago
        What I am describing is realistic. No independent will ever win. If that's a fake or flawed democracy so be it - I can't help that, it's out of my control. What is in my control is whether I get to pick the lesser of the two evils. The cheek that's slightly bigger, juicier.
        hndamien 5y ago
        You have a preferential voting system, not the lesser of two evils.
        0xdeadb00f 5y ago
        But you understand that no independent will ever win right? That isn't realistic. It is technically preferential and sure, it could happen, but none of the independents have, or will ever have enough of a following to win a federal election. Also, for the record. I don't choose either of the two evils as my number one pick when I vote. I always do choose the party I think is best for this country privacy wise. But sadly, they will never win a federal election.
        hndamien 5y ago
        Theoretically an independent could get enough support to form a party that could win. My point is that at least the system is structured that such an outcome could happen over time, or that the process of this happening forces major parties to adapt to the prevailing winds against their ideologies. In a strict two party system you get systematic pressure towards polarisation, rather than a more bumpy road to some sort of consensus that is apparently easily manipulated by media.
- stephen_g 5y ago
  Greens and some Independents are the only ones who have voted against these bills, so if you have those, they should be higher preferences than the major parties. If somebody doesn't vote, then they're basically giving a free pass to the incumbent - which if you're in a Liberal, National or LNP seat is literally making things worse in these respects.

waddlesworth 5y ago

The "both parties are the same" thing is a meme in some more engaged circles, because it's so obviously false to anyone paying attention. It really shouldn't be surprising that the incumbent party benefits from this attitude, yet I get the same look from likely just as many people.

brokenmachine 5y ago

Which privacy-respecting party do you vote for?

justinclift 5y ago
https://reason.org.au https://reason.org.au
0xdeadb00f 5y ago
Both/most parties are complicit in privacy invasions. I just assume whoever I vote for will invade my privacy. So I don't vote based on that. I vote based on the other remaining factors that they _do_ differ on.
- bobbytit 5y ago
  I do not think you are in any position to be calling anyone else a moron.
  - 0xdeadb00f 5y ago
    How about explain why you disagree? Instead of saying shit like that? Also I never called anyone a moron outright. There is more to a political party than their stance on a single issue. If you can't see that then you are a moron. And yes, I did just call you that, outright.
    - bobbytit 5y ago
      What you are describing is a fake democracy. You are given the choice between two cheeks of the same arse. Don't be too quick to confuse stupidity with a difference of opinion.
      - 0xdeadb00f 5y ago
        What I am describing is realistic. No independent will ever win. If that's a fake or flawed democracy so be it - I can't help that, it's out of my control. What is in my control is whether I get to pick the lesser of the two evils. The cheek that's slightly bigger, juicier.
        hndamien 5y ago
        You have a preferential voting system, not the lesser of two evils.
        0xdeadb00f 5y ago
        But you understand that no independent will ever win right? That isn't realistic. It is technically preferential and sure, it could happen, but none of the independents have, or will ever have enough of a following to win a federal election. Also, for the record. I don't choose either of the two evils as my number one pick when I vote. I always do choose the party I think is best for this country privacy wise. But sadly, they will never win a federal election.
        hndamien 5y ago
        Theoretically an independent could get enough support to form a party that could win. My point is that at least the system is structured that such an outcome could happen over time, or that the process of this happening forces major parties to adapt to the prevailing winds against their ideologies. In a strict two party system you get systematic pressure towards polarisation, rather than a more bumpy road to some sort of consensus that is apparently easily manipulated by media.
stephen_g 5y ago
Greens and some Independents are the only ones who have voted against these bills, so if you have those, they should be higher preferences than the major parties. If somebody doesn't vote, then they're basically giving a free pass to the incumbent - which if you're in a Liberal, National or LNP seat is literally making things worse in these respects.