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Everyone fucking hates MS with good reason. They have been in this steady march to pull people in using tricks/dark patterns, then the services they for people

Everyone fucking hates MS with good reason. They have been in this steady march to pull people in using tricks/dark patterns, then the services they for people into are almost always half-assed and break for no obvious reason, with catastrophic results. People don't accept these broken ass systems unless they have to. Look at how iPhones, Macs and Chromebooks made inroads. MS is going to lose out on the next generation of computing, but instead of improving, they are doubling down on the BS.

bmitc 5y ago
That's incredibly biased. Apple's ecosystem is rife with dark patterns. Ever seen the screen that allows you to say ask me later with an update and then just prompts you to enter your passcode so it will update anyway? Facebook wants my driver's license even though I know the email and username to an account. If you have an issue with Google, good luck getting a response from a human. It goes on and on. Microsoft is easily not the only one with these issues.
- RNCTX 5y ago
  Google is an ad company. Presumably they're good at selling ads, they make $18B a quarter. Facebook is also an ad company, with a stellar string of quarterly reports. Apple is a hardware company. The phones are pretty nice. Out of this list, Microsoft is the only software company, and they're the only ones who are very bad at delivering their core product(s).
- bouke 5y ago
  Regarding macOS updates: there’s “Try in an Hour”/“Try Tonight” which does the thing you describe and “Remind Me Tomorrow” which only notifies you a day later. Wouldn’t describe that as a dark pattern.
  - bmitc 5y ago
    I was referring to iOS.
  - TheOtherHobbes 5y ago
    There's a lot to dislike about some Apple software, but it mostly works, kind of. In comparison MS are legendary for user-hostile experiences that fundamentally don't work and are time-wasting black holes of frustration and lost productivity.
  - lozenge 5y ago
    You can even turn off automatic updates on Apple systems. Microsoft lets you pause them for 35 days, then requires you to update before you pause them again.

bmitc 5y ago

That's incredibly biased. Apple's ecosystem is rife with dark patterns. Ever seen the screen that allows you to say ask me later with an update and then just prompts you to enter your passcode so it will update anyway? Facebook wants my driver's license even though I know the email and username to an account. If you have an issue with Google, good luck getting a response from a human. It goes on and on. Microsoft is easily not the only one with these issues.

RNCTX 5y ago
Google is an ad company. Presumably they're good at selling ads, they make $18B a quarter. Facebook is also an ad company, with a stellar string of quarterly reports. Apple is a hardware company. The phones are pretty nice. Out of this list, Microsoft is the only software company, and they're the only ones who are very bad at delivering their core product(s).
bouke 5y ago
Regarding macOS updates: there’s “Try in an Hour”/“Try Tonight” which does the thing you describe and “Remind Me Tomorrow” which only notifies you a day later. Wouldn’t describe that as a dark pattern.
- bmitc 5y ago
  I was referring to iOS.
- TheOtherHobbes 5y ago
  There's a lot to dislike about some Apple software, but it mostly works, kind of. In comparison MS are legendary for user-hostile experiences that fundamentally don't work and are time-wasting black holes of frustration and lost productivity.
- lozenge 5y ago
  You can even turn off automatic updates on Apple systems. Microsoft lets you pause them for 35 days, then requires you to update before you pause them again.