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The actual law [1] says almost nothing about banning gasoline-powered engines, but rather details reducing emissions. CO2 is not considered an emission, which c

by kortex 5y ago

The actual law [1] says almost nothing about banning gasoline-powered engines, but rather details reducing emissions. CO2 is not considered an emission, which comprises "including oxides of nitrogen (NOx), reactive organic gases (ROG), and particulate matter (PM)." ICE cars can qualify as "zero emissions vehicles". Banning ICEs for portable equipment is absurd [2]. The power density just isn't there. Plus, what if you need to charge your battery equipment? Are you gonna use a battery powered generator? Of course not. > (E) Expected availability of zero-emission generators and emergency response equipment. This is clamping down on things like sooty two-stroke weedwackers and force them to have some kind of emissions controls. May even require a catalytic converter on all ICEs. It's not a blanket ban on all ICEs. Ok downvoters, read the law/proposal and tell me where I'm wrong. 1 - https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB1346 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtm... 2 - anyone thinking "but batteries" I challenge you to hike 200m into the woods and up a 100m hill with a battery powered chainsaw and spares, I'll bring 2 gallons of petrol and a Husqvarna, we'll see who fells more trees. That was my summer of 2017, good times.

WalterGR 5y ago
> I challenge you to hike 200m into the woods and up a 100m hill with a battery powered chainsaw and spares Is California planning on mandating battery-powered chainsaws? Or are you worried about the slippery slope between lawn-care equipment and logging equipment?
- detaro 5y ago
  > The small off-road engine (SORE) category consists of off-road spark-ignition engines that produce 19 kilowatts gross power or less (25 horsepower or less), including lawn and garden, industrial, logging, airport ground support, and commercial utility equipment, golf carts, and specialty vehicles. https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/our-work/programs/small-off-road-engines-sore/about https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/our-work/programs/small-off-road-engi...
  - WalterGR 5y ago
    Thanks. Neither the article nor the law indicate what SORE equipment includes other than lawn equipment.
ZeroGravitas 5y ago
The proposal is fairly clear that its aim is to replace all SORE with zero-emission alternatives by 2035. And in reality 100% of those will be battery powered. This is very similar to automobile phase-outs which will similarly be described in headlines as "bans" because that's a short and clickbaity word. They'll generally not specify the tech or approach, and just try to legislate the specific problem they are trying to solve instead to leave options open. And similarly to them, the comments on HN will be full of people claiming that a 15 year transition plan is unworkable because they can think of some obscure use case that they think the current tech can't handle (usually on no real factual basis whatsoever) which even if correct, is irrelevant unless there is some serious doubt that future tech in 2035 can't handle that case adequately.

by kortex 5y ago

WalterGR 5y ago

> I challenge you to hike 200m into the woods and up a 100m hill with a battery powered chainsaw and spares Is California planning on mandating battery-powered chainsaws? Or are you worried about the slippery slope between lawn-care equipment and logging equipment?

detaro 5y ago
> The small off-road engine (SORE) category consists of off-road spark-ignition engines that produce 19 kilowatts gross power or less (25 horsepower or less), including lawn and garden, industrial, logging, airport ground support, and commercial utility equipment, golf carts, and specialty vehicles. https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/our-work/programs/small-off-road-engines-sore/about https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/our-work/programs/small-off-road-engi...
- WalterGR 5y ago
  Thanks. Neither the article nor the law indicate what SORE equipment includes other than lawn equipment.

ZeroGravitas 5y ago

The proposal is fairly clear that its aim is to replace all SORE with zero-emission alternatives by 2035. And in reality 100% of those will be battery powered. This is very similar to automobile phase-outs which will similarly be described in headlines as "bans" because that's a short and clickbaity word. They'll generally not specify the tech or approach, and just try to legislate the specific problem they are trying to solve instead to leave options open. And similarly to them, the comments on HN will be full of people claiming that a 15 year transition plan is unworkable because they can think of some obscure use case that they think the current tech can't handle (usually on no real factual basis whatsoever) which even if correct, is irrelevant unless there is some serious doubt that future tech in 2035 can't handle that case adequately.