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> police are justified in shooting people who leave their homes with rubber bullets This is not true at all. As an Australian who has been following protests c

by ntSean 5y ago

> police are justified in shooting people who leave their homes with rubber bullets This is not true at all. As an Australian who has been following protests closely and the police response, they are clearly only shooting rubber bullets at those who are: - Throwing glass bottles at police - Attacking "fake news" journalists - Damaging buildings and monuments. Black Lives Matter protests peacefully marched through the city last year and no rubber bullets were used. > why it's normal to be required to take surveillance photos of themselves in their own residences Unless you're in quarantine, this is not a requirement. Are you suggesting that we should not have a quarantine program? Or continue to use hotels, which are ill-equip for quarantining, and lead to the initial outbreaks here in Australia? > I guess strict authoritarianism must be accompanied with equally strict media propaganda. Media diversity has never been worse. I agree that things need to change. That however, has nothing to do with CHO directives.

TapWaterBandit 5y ago
Police going door to door in NSW/VIC investigating protestors against lockdowns months after they have occurred. I assume you will support similar surveillance of BLM protestors? NSW: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/09/23/australia_police_goes_door_to_door_are_you_aware_of_any_planned_protests_or_events_coming_up.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/09/23/australia... VIC: https://twitter.com/sullydish/status/1447314509949984768 https://twitter.com/sullydish/status/1447314509949984768
- paranoidrobot 5y ago
  The NSW one it's not clear from the context whether that person was at a protest. The second one it's pretty clear they were. I don't know which protests they were, but a number of anti-lockdown/vaccine protests were violent, which is likely the reason the police were investigating. That it's months later is almost certainly because police have been going through a shitload of leads. The same thing is happening in the US where people suspected of participating in the January 6 riots are/were being investigated months after events.
  - TapWaterBandit 5y ago
    Attempting to frame the lockdown protests as being remotely comparable to the US capitol attack is a ridiculous false equivalency. The events aren't remotely comparable in terms of background, the events themselves, or what led to the events. If you can't see the difference between protests against state-wide lockdowns including curfews, restrictions on freedom of association, travel bans, etc and a group of people rioting to contest an election result all it shows is that you are so biased to the point that your opinion isn't worth considering in a serious discussion about events in Australia relating to the response to the pandemic. There are potential defences of Australia's response (although they are increasingly seen as apologetic at best, or an outright defence of human rights abuses at worst) but saying the protests are in any way similar to the US capitol attack is not one of them.
    - paranoidrobot 5y ago
      I'm not comparing the protests. I'm comparing the police response. You said: > Police going door to door in NSW/VIC investigating protestors against lockdowns months after they have occurred. Police are not going door to door. So, that part is inaccurate. Police are investigating someone suspected of an offence. It's hardly unusual for it to take police months to conduct investigations.

by ntSean 5y ago

TapWaterBandit 5y ago

Police going door to door in NSW/VIC investigating protestors against lockdowns months after they have occurred. I assume you will support similar surveillance of BLM protestors? NSW: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/09/23/australia_police_goes_door_to_door_are_you_aware_of_any_planned_protests_or_events_coming_up.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/09/23/australia... VIC: https://twitter.com/sullydish/status/1447314509949984768 https://twitter.com/sullydish/status/1447314509949984768

paranoidrobot 5y ago
The NSW one it's not clear from the context whether that person was at a protest. The second one it's pretty clear they were. I don't know which protests they were, but a number of anti-lockdown/vaccine protests were violent, which is likely the reason the police were investigating. That it's months later is almost certainly because police have been going through a shitload of leads. The same thing is happening in the US where people suspected of participating in the January 6 riots are/were being investigated months after events.
- TapWaterBandit 5y ago
  Attempting to frame the lockdown protests as being remotely comparable to the US capitol attack is a ridiculous false equivalency. The events aren't remotely comparable in terms of background, the events themselves, or what led to the events. If you can't see the difference between protests against state-wide lockdowns including curfews, restrictions on freedom of association, travel bans, etc and a group of people rioting to contest an election result all it shows is that you are so biased to the point that your opinion isn't worth considering in a serious discussion about events in Australia relating to the response to the pandemic. There are potential defences of Australia's response (although they are increasingly seen as apologetic at best, or an outright defence of human rights abuses at worst) but saying the protests are in any way similar to the US capitol attack is not one of them.
  - paranoidrobot 5y ago
    I'm not comparing the protests. I'm comparing the police response. You said: > Police going door to door in NSW/VIC investigating protestors against lockdowns months after they have occurred. Police are not going door to door. So, that part is inaccurate. Police are investigating someone suspected of an offence. It's hardly unusual for it to take police months to conduct investigations.