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The reason we have such low deaths is because of the measures in place. They are slowly changing as vaccination targets are met and life should be back to norma

by _kbh_ 5y ago

The reason we have such low deaths is because of the measures in place. They are slowly changing as vaccination targets are met and life should be back to normalish by December.

kongin 5y ago
And yet we heard the same thing last December. Things aren't going back to normal, when Australia opens up regardless of vaccination status thousands of people will die if they are lucky and tens of thousands if they are not. The vaccines have been a huge disappointment with constant goal post moving the only way to keep people from noticing.
AndrewBissell 5y ago
How will the Australian state's vaccination targets be met without maintaining the restrictions which are used to coerce people into getting vaccinated? Things might be somewhat relaxed by December just because it's summer in Australia, but I have a hard time seeing you go the way of "just live with it like the flu" like Denmark or Singapore over the long term.
- paranoidrobot 5y ago
  Australia has a traditionally high rate of vaccination. The biggest problems are a huge focus on the risks of AstraZeneca, and the overall lack of availability of Vaccines. The vaccine rollout is progressing well, despite the rocky start and general fuckups by the federal government. We're on track for 70% double-dosed by 24th of October, and 80% by 7th of November[1]. Those are the two major figures for rolling-back restrictions that were put in place. Individual states are varying on their own internal restrictions. So, you can see that coercion isn't required. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/ng-interactive/2021/oct/11/covid-19-vaccine-rollout-australia-vaccination-rate-progress-how-many-people-vaccinated-percent-tracker-australian-states-number-total-daily-live-data-stats-updates-news-schedule-tracking-chart-percentage-new-cases-today https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/ng-inter...
  - throwawaythekey 5y ago
    Coercion might not be required, but it is certainly being used (at least in victoria). With large numbers of low risk citizens being told they need to choose between getting the vaccine and their job. > An extremely long list of “authorised workers” are now required to be vaccinated, including marriage celebrants, personal trainers, emergency service workers, public sector employees, religious workers, and many others. All authorised workers who do not comply with the vaccination requirement will not be permitted to attend their place of employment but will have to work from home or lose their jobs. https://www.abc.net.au/religion/human-rights-and-mandatory-covid-19-vaccinations/13577278 https://www.abc.net.au/religion/human-rights-and-mandatory-c...
  - AndrewBissell 5y ago
    Singapore hit 85%, opened up, and immediately experienced an explosion in cases. Australia will either have to accept the same outcome or continue lockdowns and quarantines to suppress outbreaks indefinitely.
6nf 5y ago
Australia spent 300 billion in one year on the covid response, and what do we have to show for it?
- mrslave 5y ago
  Preservation of the status quo?
- ntSean 5y ago
  I live in Melbourne, the most locked down city in the world. We have substantially lower death rates than Florida, which has a comparable population. Florida: 3,600,000 covid cases 56,667 deaths Melbourne: 54,470 covid cases 913 deaths This remains true for the rest of Australia. Unfortunately, we are in a remarkable position compared to many parts of the world.
  - 6nf 5y ago
    Florida population is 21 million, Australia is 26 million. AUD 300 billion to save 70,000 lives, that's 4 million dollars per life saved. The median covid death is 85 years old. We spent 4 million dollars to save one 85 year old person for a few more years.
    - paranoidrobot 5y ago
      > AUD 300 billion to save 70,000 lives You keep quoting 300 billion, where are you getting that from?
      - 6nf 5y ago
        https://budget.gov.au/2021-22/content/covid.htm https://budget.gov.au/2021-22/content/covid.htm Please explain how am I using this number incorrectly? What is the correct number I should be using instead?
        paranoidrobot 5y ago

by _kbh_ 5y ago

The reason we have such low deaths is because of the measures in place. They are slowly changing as vaccination targets are met and life should be back to normalish by December.

kongin 5y ago

And yet we heard the same thing last December. Things aren't going back to normal, when Australia opens up regardless of vaccination status thousands of people will die if they are lucky and tens of thousands if they are not. The vaccines have been a huge disappointment with constant goal post moving the only way to keep people from noticing.

AndrewBissell 5y ago

How will the Australian state's vaccination targets be met without maintaining the restrictions which are used to coerce people into getting vaccinated? Things might be somewhat relaxed by December just because it's summer in Australia, but I have a hard time seeing you go the way of "just live with it like the flu" like Denmark or Singapore over the long term.

paranoidrobot 5y ago
Australia has a traditionally high rate of vaccination. The biggest problems are a huge focus on the risks of AstraZeneca, and the overall lack of availability of Vaccines. The vaccine rollout is progressing well, despite the rocky start and general fuckups by the federal government. We're on track for 70% double-dosed by 24th of October, and 80% by 7th of November[1]. Those are the two major figures for rolling-back restrictions that were put in place. Individual states are varying on their own internal restrictions. So, you can see that coercion isn't required. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/ng-interactive/2021/oct/11/covid-19-vaccine-rollout-australia-vaccination-rate-progress-how-many-people-vaccinated-percent-tracker-australian-states-number-total-daily-live-data-stats-updates-news-schedule-tracking-chart-percentage-new-cases-today https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/ng-inter...
- throwawaythekey 5y ago
  Coercion might not be required, but it is certainly being used (at least in victoria). With large numbers of low risk citizens being told they need to choose between getting the vaccine and their job. > An extremely long list of “authorised workers” are now required to be vaccinated, including marriage celebrants, personal trainers, emergency service workers, public sector employees, religious workers, and many others. All authorised workers who do not comply with the vaccination requirement will not be permitted to attend their place of employment but will have to work from home or lose their jobs. https://www.abc.net.au/religion/human-rights-and-mandatory-covid-19-vaccinations/13577278 https://www.abc.net.au/religion/human-rights-and-mandatory-c...
- AndrewBissell 5y ago
  Singapore hit 85%, opened up, and immediately experienced an explosion in cases. Australia will either have to accept the same outcome or continue lockdowns and quarantines to suppress outbreaks indefinitely.

6nf 5y ago

Australia spent 300 billion in one year on the covid response, and what do we have to show for it?

mrslave 5y ago
Preservation of the status quo?
ntSean 5y ago
I live in Melbourne, the most locked down city in the world. We have substantially lower death rates than Florida, which has a comparable population. Florida: 3,600,000 covid cases 56,667 deaths Melbourne: 54,470 covid cases 913 deaths This remains true for the rest of Australia. Unfortunately, we are in a remarkable position compared to many parts of the world.
- 6nf 5y ago
  Florida population is 21 million, Australia is 26 million. AUD 300 billion to save 70,000 lives, that's 4 million dollars per life saved. The median covid death is 85 years old. We spent 4 million dollars to save one 85 year old person for a few more years.
  - paranoidrobot 5y ago
    > AUD 300 billion to save 70,000 lives You keep quoting 300 billion, where are you getting that from?
    - 6nf 5y ago
      https://budget.gov.au/2021-22/content/covid.htm https://budget.gov.au/2021-22/content/covid.htm Please explain how am I using this number incorrectly? What is the correct number I should be using instead?
      - paranoidrobot 5y ago