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Anyone who has crossed state lines in the last two weeks is required to follow those quarantine measures. They have fewer than 10 deaths per state combined wit

Anyone who has crossed state lines in the last two weeks is required to follow those quarantine measures. They have fewer than 10 deaths per state combined with very high vaccination rates. From the outside looking in, it seems wholly unjustified.

_kbh_ 5y ago
The reason we have such low deaths is because of the measures in place. They are slowly changing as vaccination targets are met and life should be back to normalish by December.
- kongin 5y ago
  And yet we heard the same thing last December. Things aren't going back to normal, when Australia opens up regardless of vaccination status thousands of people will die if they are lucky and tens of thousands if they are not. The vaccines have been a huge disappointment with constant goal post moving the only way to keep people from noticing.
- AndrewBissell 5y ago
  How will the Australian state's vaccination targets be met without maintaining the restrictions which are used to coerce people into getting vaccinated? Things might be somewhat relaxed by December just because it's summer in Australia, but I have a hard time seeing you go the way of "just live with it like the flu" like Denmark or Singapore over the long term.
  - paranoidrobot 5y ago
    Australia has a traditionally high rate of vaccination. The biggest problems are a huge focus on the risks of AstraZeneca, and the overall lack of availability of Vaccines. The vaccine rollout is progressing well, despite the rocky start and general fuckups by the federal government. We're on track for 70% double-dosed by 24th of October, and 80% by 7th of November[1]. Those are the two major figures for rolling-back restrictions that were put in place. Individual states are varying on their own internal restrictions. So, you can see that coercion isn't required. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/ng-interactive/2021/oct/11/covid-19-vaccine-rollout-australia-vaccination-rate-progress-how-many-people-vaccinated-percent-tracker-australian-states-number-total-daily-live-data-stats-updates-news-schedule-tracking-chart-percentage-new-cases-today https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/ng-inter...
    - throwawaythekey 5y ago
      Coercion might not be required, but it is certainly being used (at least in victoria). With large numbers of low risk citizens being told they need to choose between getting the vaccine and their job. > An extremely long list of “authorised workers” are now required to be vaccinated, including marriage celebrants, personal trainers, emergency service workers, public sector employees, religious workers, and many others. All authorised workers who do not comply with the vaccination requirement will not be permitted to attend their place of employment but will have to work from home or lose their jobs. https://www.abc.net.au/religion/human-rights-and-mandatory-covid-19-vaccinations/13577278 https://www.abc.net.au/religion/human-rights-and-mandatory-c...
    - AndrewBissell 5y ago
      Singapore hit 85%, opened up, and immediately experienced an explosion in cases. Australia will either have to accept the same outcome or continue lockdowns and quarantines to suppress outbreaks indefinitely.
- 6nf 5y ago
  Australia spent 300 billion in one year on the covid response, and what do we have to show for it?
  - mrslave 5y ago
    Preservation of the status quo?
  - ntSean 5y ago
    I live in Melbourne, the most locked down city in the world. We have substantially lower death rates than Florida, which has a comparable population. Florida: 3,600,000 covid cases 56,667 deaths Melbourne: 54,470 covid cases 913 deaths This remains true for the rest of Australia. Unfortunately, we are in a remarkable position compared to many parts of the world.
    - 6nf 5y ago
      Florida population is 21 million, Australia is 26 million. AUD 300 billion to save 70,000 lives, that's 4 million dollars per life saved. The median covid death is 85 years old. We spent 4 million dollars to save one 85 year old person for a few more years.
      - paranoidrobot 5y ago
        > AUD 300 billion to save 70,000 lives You keep quoting 300 billion, where are you getting that from?
        6nf 5y ago
        https://budget.gov.au/2021-22/content/covid.htm https://budget.gov.au/2021-22/content/covid.htm Please explain how am I using this number incorrectly? What is the correct number I should be using instead?
        paranoidrobot 5y ago
ceejayoz 5y ago
> They have fewer than 10 deaths per state combined with very high vaccination rates. From the outside looking in, it seems wholly unjustified. “That car is running really well. Why don’t we dismantle the engine?”
- chroem- 5y ago
  Excellent: you have achieved orders of magnitude fewer deaths than the annual cold and flu season. But at what cost? You have also surrendered your entire society to an enforcement apparatus that looks like it was taken straight out of a work of mid 20th century dystopian fiction.
  - shadilay 5y ago
    At some point you have to ask what society you're sacrificing to protect.
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    My grandma's in Tasmania. Hasn't needed to wear a mask the entire time. My uncle has worn a mask for a couple of days total. My American-born kids are going to school in KN95 masks and spent most of last year doing temperature checks and health screenings. One of these looks like "a work of mid 20th century dystopian fiction", certainly.
    - chroem- 5y ago
      > My grandma's in Tasmania. Hasn't needed to wear a mask the entire time. My uncle has worn a mask for a couple of days total. Now have them attempt that on the mainland. They'll be liable to have their bones broken by the police response.
      - ceejayoz 5y ago
        My uncle's few days in a mask were in Sydney. No broken bones thus far. I've about a dozen relatives in Oz, including quite a few on the mainland; all seem to have had a much better pandemic experience than I have in the States.

_kbh_ 5y ago

The reason we have such low deaths is because of the measures in place. They are slowly changing as vaccination targets are met and life should be back to normalish by December.

kongin 5y ago
And yet we heard the same thing last December. Things aren't going back to normal, when Australia opens up regardless of vaccination status thousands of people will die if they are lucky and tens of thousands if they are not. The vaccines have been a huge disappointment with constant goal post moving the only way to keep people from noticing.
AndrewBissell 5y ago
How will the Australian state's vaccination targets be met without maintaining the restrictions which are used to coerce people into getting vaccinated? Things might be somewhat relaxed by December just because it's summer in Australia, but I have a hard time seeing you go the way of "just live with it like the flu" like Denmark or Singapore over the long term.
- paranoidrobot 5y ago
  Australia has a traditionally high rate of vaccination. The biggest problems are a huge focus on the risks of AstraZeneca, and the overall lack of availability of Vaccines. The vaccine rollout is progressing well, despite the rocky start and general fuckups by the federal government. We're on track for 70% double-dosed by 24th of October, and 80% by 7th of November[1]. Those are the two major figures for rolling-back restrictions that were put in place. Individual states are varying on their own internal restrictions. So, you can see that coercion isn't required. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/ng-interactive/2021/oct/11/covid-19-vaccine-rollout-australia-vaccination-rate-progress-how-many-people-vaccinated-percent-tracker-australian-states-number-total-daily-live-data-stats-updates-news-schedule-tracking-chart-percentage-new-cases-today https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/ng-inter...
  - throwawaythekey 5y ago
    Coercion might not be required, but it is certainly being used (at least in victoria). With large numbers of low risk citizens being told they need to choose between getting the vaccine and their job. > An extremely long list of “authorised workers” are now required to be vaccinated, including marriage celebrants, personal trainers, emergency service workers, public sector employees, religious workers, and many others. All authorised workers who do not comply with the vaccination requirement will not be permitted to attend their place of employment but will have to work from home or lose their jobs. https://www.abc.net.au/religion/human-rights-and-mandatory-covid-19-vaccinations/13577278 https://www.abc.net.au/religion/human-rights-and-mandatory-c...
  - AndrewBissell 5y ago
    Singapore hit 85%, opened up, and immediately experienced an explosion in cases. Australia will either have to accept the same outcome or continue lockdowns and quarantines to suppress outbreaks indefinitely.
6nf 5y ago
Australia spent 300 billion in one year on the covid response, and what do we have to show for it?
- mrslave 5y ago
  Preservation of the status quo?
- ntSean 5y ago
  I live in Melbourne, the most locked down city in the world. We have substantially lower death rates than Florida, which has a comparable population. Florida: 3,600,000 covid cases 56,667 deaths Melbourne: 54,470 covid cases 913 deaths This remains true for the rest of Australia. Unfortunately, we are in a remarkable position compared to many parts of the world.
  - 6nf 5y ago
    Florida population is 21 million, Australia is 26 million. AUD 300 billion to save 70,000 lives, that's 4 million dollars per life saved. The median covid death is 85 years old. We spent 4 million dollars to save one 85 year old person for a few more years.
    - paranoidrobot 5y ago
      > AUD 300 billion to save 70,000 lives You keep quoting 300 billion, where are you getting that from?
      - 6nf 5y ago
        https://budget.gov.au/2021-22/content/covid.htm https://budget.gov.au/2021-22/content/covid.htm Please explain how am I using this number incorrectly? What is the correct number I should be using instead?
        paranoidrobot 5y ago

ceejayoz 5y ago

> They have fewer than 10 deaths per state combined with very high vaccination rates. From the outside looking in, it seems wholly unjustified. “That car is running really well. Why don’t we dismantle the engine?”

chroem- 5y ago
Excellent: you have achieved orders of magnitude fewer deaths than the annual cold and flu season. But at what cost? You have also surrendered your entire society to an enforcement apparatus that looks like it was taken straight out of a work of mid 20th century dystopian fiction.
- shadilay 5y ago
  At some point you have to ask what society you're sacrificing to protect.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  My grandma's in Tasmania. Hasn't needed to wear a mask the entire time. My uncle has worn a mask for a couple of days total. My American-born kids are going to school in KN95 masks and spent most of last year doing temperature checks and health screenings. One of these looks like "a work of mid 20th century dystopian fiction", certainly.
  - chroem- 5y ago
    > My grandma's in Tasmania. Hasn't needed to wear a mask the entire time. My uncle has worn a mask for a couple of days total. Now have them attempt that on the mainland. They'll be liable to have their bones broken by the police response.
    - ceejayoz 5y ago
      My uncle's few days in a mask were in Sydney. No broken bones thus far. I've about a dozen relatives in Oz, including quite a few on the mainland; all seem to have had a much better pandemic experience than I have in the States.