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that's just going to further degrade the quality. International competition is good because it's the fiercest market there is and TikTok is a genuinely good pla

that's just going to further degrade the quality. International competition is good because it's the fiercest market there is and TikTok is a genuinely good platform for content creators. the same is going to happen when Huawei is excluded from 5G contracts, watch and see how cost reduction is going to stagnate. The exact same thing happened to the American auto industry after its anti-Japanese protectionist moment in the late 80s/90s. It's gonna be a feast for the national oligarchy and an absolute disaster for consumers. And also one thing to add regarding foreign social media. If you think that your citizens are so fundamentally gullible and illiterate that they're going to be brainwashed by a platform like tiktok and that domestic politicians need to spoonfeed them news you've already abandoned any faith in the basis for democracy to begin with.

wyre 5y ago
> anti-Japanese protectionist moment Is there more to this than the chicken tax preventing imported trucks?
- Barrin92 5y ago
  Yes, a 45% tax on motorcycles (to save Harley Davidson[1]), a flat limit on the number of cars that could be imported to the United States, and later a 100% tariff on the Japanese electronics industry[2], among a few other things. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_motorcycle_tariff https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_motorcycle_tariff [2]https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-03-28-mn-698-story.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-03-28-mn-698-st...
cscurmudgeon 5y ago
> International competition is good But is it really "International competition" if China has more restrictions on foreign companies? https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/13/american-chamber-of-commerce-in-china-unequal-access-for-us-business.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/13/american-chamber-of-commerce...
908B64B197 5y ago
> International competition is good because it's the fiercest market there is and TikTok is a genuinely good platform for content creators. the same is going to happen when Huawei is excluded from 5G contracts, watch and see how cost reduction is going to stagnate. The problem is that these two tech might be used for propaganda and espionage. There's also a question of intellectual property violations. Pretty sure taking a closer look at current Huawei products might reveal some interesting reverse engineering. It sure did back in the days where dumped firmware still had Cisco copyrights...
- A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
  It is, if there ever was any doubt, a reminder why we should be talking about protocols and open standards and not companies running their proprietary stuff across the world. I should not have to care if it is US, China or India that houses it. I should not have to care if it it is FB, LinkedIn or TikTok. But that is the problem. The companies have no problem trying to tie people to a specific brand and open standard is a problem for keeping the brand tied. Even the possibility of an option for a person to pick on their own is a threat to market dominance. And we all know how well inertia works. As for propaganda and espionage... what isn't used it for it these days?
  - rndmind 5y ago
    What an astoundingly poignant comment. . . I'm commenting here for future reference. It is the protocols and open standards that we should be focusing on, not the platforms. With that said, web3 endorsed activity pub, I would like to see more websites take advantage of that, I'd love to be able to comment on hackernews via my mastodon account, for example.
reducesuffering 5y ago
> If you think that your citizens are so fundamentally gullible and illiterate that they're going to be brainwashed by a platform like tiktok This ship has sailed everywhere: Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, etc. echo chambers... You only need to look at a country like China where they have the political power to force control and think why they care SO much about it. It matters. Algorithms are getting increasingly better. Media is becoming more immersive.

wyre 5y ago

> anti-Japanese protectionist moment Is there more to this than the chicken tax preventing imported trucks?

Barrin92 5y ago
Yes, a 45% tax on motorcycles (to save Harley Davidson[1]), a flat limit on the number of cars that could be imported to the United States, and later a 100% tariff on the Japanese electronics industry[2], among a few other things. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_motorcycle_tariff https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_motorcycle_tariff [2]https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-03-28-mn-698-story.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-03-28-mn-698-st...

cscurmudgeon 5y ago

> International competition is good But is it really "International competition" if China has more restrictions on foreign companies? https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/13/american-chamber-of-commerce-in-china-unequal-access-for-us-business.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/13/american-chamber-of-commerce...

908B64B197 5y ago

> International competition is good because it's the fiercest market there is and TikTok is a genuinely good platform for content creators. the same is going to happen when Huawei is excluded from 5G contracts, watch and see how cost reduction is going to stagnate. The problem is that these two tech might be used for propaganda and espionage. There's also a question of intellectual property violations. Pretty sure taking a closer look at current Huawei products might reveal some interesting reverse engineering. It sure did back in the days where dumped firmware still had Cisco copyrights...

A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
It is, if there ever was any doubt, a reminder why we should be talking about protocols and open standards and not companies running their proprietary stuff across the world. I should not have to care if it is US, China or India that houses it. I should not have to care if it it is FB, LinkedIn or TikTok. But that is the problem. The companies have no problem trying to tie people to a specific brand and open standard is a problem for keeping the brand tied. Even the possibility of an option for a person to pick on their own is a threat to market dominance. And we all know how well inertia works. As for propaganda and espionage... what isn't used it for it these days?
- rndmind 5y ago
  What an astoundingly poignant comment. . . I'm commenting here for future reference. It is the protocols and open standards that we should be focusing on, not the platforms. With that said, web3 endorsed activity pub, I would like to see more websites take advantage of that, I'd love to be able to comment on hackernews via my mastodon account, for example.

reducesuffering 5y ago

> If you think that your citizens are so fundamentally gullible and illiterate that they're going to be brainwashed by a platform like tiktok This ship has sailed everywhere: Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, etc. echo chambers... You only need to look at a country like China where they have the political power to force control and think why they care SO much about it. It matters. Algorithms are getting increasingly better. Media is becoming more immersive.